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Hi Tracie,
Second point first - the published license is quite explicit and to drill deeper for exploitation of reserves found deeper would, I believe, require an additional site specific permission, addendum or variation to license terms. Such variations are probably not too hard to obtain, but do take time to get - possibly one of many reasons for COAG, EA and KCC agreeing to wait for more detail from COAG before proceeding further with consideration of the current applications. There is a separate license for each site PEDL249, 250 and 251 all seem to apply as identified by OS grid references and all have a limit of exploitation set at 1000m depth. However, it may be (I am far from 100% on this) that there is some clause, somewhere (I have not waded through all the legalese and cross references yet) within the license that refers specifically to exploration drilling and allows some %age margin for exploration only (not exploitation which is clearly limited to 1000m depth on all three licenses).
First point - provided they have the relevant addendum or variation to license terms approved there is nothing there to prevent them from drilling a test bore into all of these strata. They are clearly going for where the richest concentrations of gas are likely to be found - the coal seams - where they can extract the most for least effort and highest margin. This may explain the lack of detail on strata other than coal seams on their application (the other explanation is that we are all being deliberately misled, but I leave that to the conspiracy theorists because the information on what strata are down there is so readily available to anyone who looks that such attempted deception would be utterly foolish and entirely counter productive. These guys want to make as much money as possible with as little trouble as possible - deliberately trying to deceive/mislead in such an obvious way just doesn't fit).
Tom is right, and most informative, on what is meant by destructive distillation. Coal Seam/Bed Methane extraction does not involve destructive distillation and is the exploitation of the gas in its natural condition as it lies within the seams.
Be assured, you are not going nuts, I think all of us lay people are going boss eyed sorting out the fact from the fiction, the reality from the scaremongering, getting a better handle on local geology and the complexities of the licensing regime.
Keith Sansum1
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I think peter got it right when he stated the questions need to answered on the risks
whether they be minimal or not
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Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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re Tracey's query, the drilling depth doesn't give a datum point, is it below ground level or below sea level?
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Forget all the long winded notifications.The Environment Agency stopped DDC finally after two and a half years
of them ignoring the facts from building our `Hospital` on a flood plain,now they have their word on drilling in
Tilmanstone............it is worth a read ................
https://shareweb.kent.gov.uk/Documents/environment-and-planning/planning-and-land-use/fracking/Letter%20from%20EA%20dated%2014%20October%202013%20-%20DO%200217%202013.pdf=Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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as iv said all along
we need the answers before they do it
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:as iv said all along
we need the answers before they do it
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Who is the 'we' you refer to Mr Sansum? The good folk of East Kent who need to know.? Who's responsibility is it, would you say, to inform and educate on the specialised and complex subject? Which local Government Department can one apply to for a full and frank explanation of the 'pro's' and 'con's' of this major Planning Application.? Anyone know?
DiJones
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Eythornes poster and leaflet.....The website is now live... you can now access it via
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Lovely - thanks (not) Reg. Full of misleading, incorrect and downright false information. It is an embarrassment that Eythorne is becoming associated with such falsehoods as are on that site you posted.
Objections and a campaign using the truth are good and we have experience from coal mining days on which we can base constructive objections using the truth as our weapon if we are against methane gas exploration and extraction for environmental or any other reason.
1st falsehood is that fracking is inevitable - no it isn't, it is not even likely.
2nd f.... can't be bothered almost everything on that site uses false, inaccurate or misleading information that tells us nothing about the actual proposal or the short comings of the actual proposal - even the witness from Balcombe who is quoted is highly selective because she has neighbours who say precisely the opposite and whose only complaints are about the protesters
Let's not repeat the mistakes of the Coal mining era when high saline water was pumped to the surface and over 90 years eventually contaminated our drinking water - not that anyone knew or noticed at the time - however, to suggest that the damage is irreversible is yet another falsehood to add to the list. Water Records show that the contamination that built up over 90 years of coal mining has reduced to nothing in less than 20 years.
Yes, we do need further clarification and detail on how the drillers are going to protect our water as they drill down through the aquifer. From what I've seen of this type of drilling so far and from speaking with Doe Green, the measures are quite comprehensive with steel linings and triple concrete reinforced sleeves, but COAG do not appear to have published the required level of detail yet and they should do so as soon as possible.
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Keep to the day / weekend job Neil.....Cinque the Port and continue to play your own trumpet........
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Reg that post is not worthy of you and I can't understand why you are so against airing the truth. I'm totally with Neil on this one. But on the other hand, neither of us needs to court popular opinion with a view to getting re-elected to anything.
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reg is back on the misery pills today.
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Charlie has seen the facts and the light....will his disciples follow ?
MP now adds his support to the anti-fracking fight
MP Charlie Elphicke has opposed the applications for exploratory drilling in East Kent and says he will raise the issue with Ministers.
More than 200 residents first heard the news that they had the backing of their MP at a meeting at Shepherdswell Village Hall last Wednesday.
Mr Elphicke said: "Shale gas exploration offers the opportunity for lower energy bills but I've always said we have got to balance that against safety - the risk to the water aquifer and our drinking water is too great.
"So I oppose these applications. In other areas that are more suitable and don't have the same risks we should explore it but we use the aquifer for all our drinking water. If it could be contaminated this is a risk I don't think we should take."
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whatever can you mean Reg? and what makes you think Charlie has any disciples?
I know of a number of independent thinkers who may agree with him on some subject matter but totally disagree on other matters. As far as I can see, Charlie wants to get re-elected and is prepared to do and say what it takes to do so. Just 'cause Charlie has listened to and accepted some of the biased information presented to him does not change my opinion of the mis-information that has been and continues to be promulgated with regard to coal seam/bed methane exploration.
Personally, I'd like to see that additional detail that has been requested from COAG. Then I'll make up my own mind.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We need oil in anyway we can get it so let it go ahead or pay even higher bills then we do now,if they found oil on land I had they could drill or any other way to get it out aslong as I got paid.
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Vic.
Yes, we need fuel for energy, our future depends on it.
But not at any cost.
There are safer methods of extracting coal itself or extracting CBM from the 10 Billion tons of coal left beneath our feet, than using that damned awful word F---king.
That method has an unacceptable risk attached to it, for this part of the country and when other safer methods are available to us, why take the risk?
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Closet Conservatives......Independent Thinkers ?....tell it to the Marines......
Everyone is waiting for the COAG answers to EA`s long,long list of questions.....if it comes ?
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Oh, so you are labeling people again Reg, based on what exactly? You have not a clue.
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Mr Gary,sir you know I am behind opening the pits again I said it years ago,but we need all ways of geting fuel ,anyway they have not said anything about fracking in east Kent ,its the public again that keep on about it and even if it was true there would be no danger to the public if there was they would not go head with it anywhere.So just wait and see what they are going to do,at this time it is just going to be boring holes.All this because of the Gen Election which is not till 2015 but the reds think it will bring back the voters to them.
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# 218....time will tell....keep posting Neil it speaks volumes ......
