Brian Dixon
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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That's a real Mandy Rice-Davies article. The IPCC is totally, hopelessly compromised and no notice should be taken of it.
On a more local note, I wonder if the same fuss would be made if the proposal were to re-commission the coal mines instead of drilling for gas?
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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In the not too distant past the tube trains on the London underground were pretty much all smoking, with the token one or two non-smoking, carriages.
Whenever the tube-traveller had the luxury of choice no sort of actual fault could be found with this arrangement, but the vast majority of journeys were quite different. During the morning and evening rush-hour such choosing was open only to those who boarded the trains at or near their station of origin, a tiny proportion of the whole.
[Although I did not experience such rush-hour journeys from the point of view of the non-smoker I guess things were so bad that the all non-smoker policy was being actively called for long before the fire at Kings Cross.]
The point of the above anecdote is that when one found oneself aboard a smoking carriage the only cure to the choking in the throat and the stinging in the eyes, was to light-up, and I reached the conclusion that it must have been this way for most, if not all, the other passengers. While the immediate result of employing this tactic had the desired effect, can anybody dare propose that no harm was being done?
The point of the point. Are we not all, the mass of global-humankind, travelling on the smoking carriage acting just as described above? In company with the 'choosers';America, India and China.
Why do some insist on there being an actual 'conflagration', before the least contemplation of doing things differently?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 82..last para.there is no comparison at all Peter.
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Why not Reg? Aside from there being no big lasting structures or mass employment in Coal Bed Methane Extraction of course - the current applications are to allow exploration to determine if the extraction of Coal Bed Methane is feasible and commercially viable. To extract Coal Bed Methane, no fracking is required. This type of gas extraction involves the pumping of water from the coal seam thus reducing the water pressure that holds the gas in situ and allowing it to bubble out and flow to the well head. When the mines were open, we were continually pumping water to the surface from the seams to prevent flooding in the mine workings. The only real difference (apart from the aforementioned surface structures and employment) between CBME and coal mining will be that we are not excavating bloody great holes beneath our villages with CBME.
Back in the day, we had a growing problem with groundwater contamination caused by leakage from the coal seam water surface lagoons. Since the closure of the mines, it took close to 20 years for the contamination to drop back to 'normal' back ground levels after near 90 years of seepage from the surface lagoons. We never stopped drinking the local water, I'm not sure that we were even aware of the contamination at the time, which probably explains the somewhat eccentric nature of the locals.
I don't know whether the amount of water being pumped from the seams will be more or less than when we were pumping it to facilitate coal mining, but, however much it is, my representation, when an application is made to begin extraction (rather than explore), will be against such extraction, unless I can be persuaded that the issues which led to ground water contamination in the coal mining era have been adequately addressed and resolved to avoid a repeat of that contamination.
Jan Higgins
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What an interesting, informative and logical post Neil, thankyou.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Neil.
Jan is right, your post is interesting and correct, in my opinion.
This is about drilling test holes to extract samples of coal and nothing more.
This type of drilling has been going on in Kent for over one hundred years, with no adverse affects to aquifers.
Of course tight controls need to be in place, to make sure this continues to have no bad effects and to make sure no incidents occur.
I am no expert but having read all the Tilmanstone application documents, I am satisfied at this time, that adequate measures have been put in place for the drilling period, although I am open to hearing facts to prove me wrong.
Mine water samples pumped from our collieries were tested & regulated but at that time deemed harmless.
If extraction ever commences, then I agree with you, lessons should be learned and all regulations must be tighter and be better controlled, than in the past.
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I am against fracking and I fully agree with those protesting that not enough information is being released, earlier, to the general public. Only releasing minimum required info, is no longer acceptable.
The time has come to call for more honesty and transparency from councils and companies dealing with issues that affect our communities and it is time for people from within those communities, to have more say, on those issues.
However, I feel that some groups are making things worse not better.
Making this a political issue and misleading people with "stop this fracking" when it has nothing to do with fracking, is just as dangerous, as the fracking itself.
Muddying the waters and misleading people now, will make it harder stop fracking, when and if the time arises.
If you want changes to happen, you cannot act like the people you are criticising, this makes you no better than them and harder for those that can act in a more positive and effective way.
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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I'd like to know the dangers of fracking but am hard pushed to find any evidence of any.
Back to the issue, as I said earlier I have no problem with methane extraction either as it has shown to be largely safe and successful in other parts of the world.
What has not been disclosed is the full impact on villages in the area. Very simple question to which I can't find any answers to thus far.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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But the meeting in Shepherdswell had nothing to do with fracking, Howard. Methane extraction is different to fracking or am I missing something?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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That is the trouble fracking is the word of the moment that is used whenever there is any sort of exploratory drilling to be done.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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After the drill the market decides what is extracted.The best payback is always extracted.
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The `Big Six` make their move............
US oil giant Halliburton lined up as potential fracking partner
Deepwater Horizon disaster firm hold talks with company planning to drill for oil and gas in South
Downs National Park
Halliburton, the American oil services giant that featured prominently in the Deepwater Horizon disaster,
has been lined up as a potential contractor in Britain's oil and gas "fracking" industry,
The energy company, previously run by former US Vice President Dick Cheney, has held confidential
talks with a British company planning to drill for oil and gas in the Sussex countryside, including on
land that is within the South Downs National Park.
Internal documents produced by Celtique Energie, a privately owned oil and gas explorer with four
licences to test for reserves in southern England, reveal that it held meetings with Halliburton about
"farm-in" deals - industry jargon for sub-contracting - for three of its areas of operation in Sussex.
Full story Independent.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they will have problems here in east kent, charlie has thrown his weight behind the "no" campaign.
Keith Sansum1
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thats news,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
but his promotion mite see him dip out
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Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Very odd. He's all in favour of wind farms. How on earth are we going to stop the lights going out?
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 64...we only heard that in Shepherdswell,his articles say the opposite.....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no reg his column on page 15 of this weeks express is quite clear on his views against.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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maybe charlie boy is doing like the mouse does,,,,,,,,
saying things what people want to hear,,,,,,,
then doing the opposite
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Charlie's view is that drilling for oil/gas, whether by fracking or not, is ok when the borehole doesn't risk contaminating aquifers from which drinking water is taken. In east kent there are aquifers all around. I am inclined to agree that it's too risky around here.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson