Guest 1057- Registered: 21 Sep 2013
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The Labour flyer also states that KCC have been giving Coastal Oil & Gas advice on how to get these applications through! Political tactics I hope? Otherwise the residents concerns and GPC objections are not going to be given the time and thought that they deserve by KCC planning. Further investigation by the Environment Agency is definitely required before any of these planning applications are accepted, there are unanswered questions and many grey areas that have been skimmed over!
Corruption in KCC isn't something that I relish and would hope that every application, not just these drilling ones, are carefully scrutinised by experienced and knowledgable committee members and any questions raised are answered fully by trained professionals and not just on a whim of what they think maybe correct!
The whole application process for such a large application, so far seems rushed, unorganised and kept very low key by KCC. It it wasn't for people working extremely hard at parish level our village would not have a clue what was even happening here!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Labour will always tell porky-pies, or put a particlar slant on something when it comes to trying to score political points.
In the normal process of a plannining application, the applicant will talk to the planning officers for advice - for a fee, it's called pre-application advice) and the officers will advise the applicant(s) what they should do, so that it fits all the planning rules, guidelines and criteria and be recommended by the officers for aspproval and supported by the planning committee, who will make the decision.
Too many applications, especially contentious ones, are voted on where emotion plays the biggets part, instead of using those planning rules and guidelines, although I would guess that's why we have planning committees, because if they just used that (planning criteria), there's be no need for a planning committee.
Let's hope that common-sense prevails Tracey.
Roger
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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that works both ways roger,the torys are well known for telling porkie pies,as you well know.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But they didn't create a poster twisting what is happening and trying to frighten people and create another Balcombe here at Guston - not in this instance Brian.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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its the concept of the idea roger,no one can tell from fact or fiction the way either party spins there concept of the matter.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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We are talking about drilling bore-holes Brian, plenty of facts known about them. We are not talking about fracking (yet).
Roger
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Roger.
"Labour will always tell porky-pies, or put a particular slant on something when it comes to trying to score political points."
"Tory's will always tell porky-pies, or put a particular slant on something when it comes to trying to score political points.
Both are general remarks and quite pointless to this thread.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Very true Gary all parties tell lies or exaggerate to get a point scoring idea across.
In this case the leaflets together with the EKAF group could stir up a hornets nest with unwanted professional trouble makers descending on Guston or the other areas who will cause as much of a problem (if not more) as the proposed drilling. Just think of the policing cost and the disruption to those living in the area, it would be like having all the problems created by the travellers a few years ago multiplied several times over.
Tracy, thank you for your unbiased informative posts and what you are doing.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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we need all the help we can muster.Word of month is so important.This is a serious
matter for the whole of East Kent.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Tracy I am part of the Shepherdswell/ Eythorne groups .Can you please let me know where you live as we are
trying to communicate with all villages ON this and all others who will objecting.to the planning
applications.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Reg, unless you are referring to some different group from the parish council your parish council should already have the information you want because Tracy wrote in post 111............
"We are now also in negotiations with Tilmanstone and Shepherdswell parish councils concerning merging certain members of our teams to act as a separate committee re: all 3 applications, so if something urgent comes to light we can act immediately."
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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rather regrettable to see party political point scoring on such a serious issue.;
Guest 1057- Registered: 21 Sep 2013
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# 131 yes our parish council at Guston has been in conversations with clerk to Shepherdswell with Coldred PC (Steven) since 11sept discussing the appropriate way forward for the three villages involved, join forces etc. Many emails have been received and returned by our clerk. Not Eythorne though as far as I'm aware.
I have seen though a link from Shepherdswell
www.keepshepherdswellwell.org. Which looks basically like a spin off of EKAF website, it even has an anti fracking song which I'm sure is really going to help! It states it's been set up by protesting residents or has it been set up by EKAF because they are mentioned throughout
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Maybe that is the group to whom Reg is referring from his posts he gives the impression he is against the drilling.
I must say I am surprised Eyethorne has not joined forces with you after all it is on their doorstep.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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FYI
To Frack or Not To Frack -
some information on the pros and cons of the action.
What is Fracking? It is a general term used for the fracturing of any given source rock intersected at depth, after drilling a borehole, to release the fluids or gases one wishes to extract, collect and put to use.
Fracking has been used for a very long time in water boreholes drilled into a water aquifer where the host rock is not porous enough locally to allow the water to flow freely into the borehole and be pumped out for domestic, agricultural or industrial use. Fracking in water boreholes usually only consists of exploding some dynamite, for example, at specific depths where sandstone, dolomite, limestone, chalk or other sedimentary rock units are known to host large aquifers of water. This water is either fossil water or where the aquifer recharges over time from surface water seeping down through porous rocks or fractures to be contained above a uniform non-porous rock unit such as metamorphosed rocks (for example shales) or a volcanic unit. No chemicals or other fluids are used in the process and the fracking is normally only completed once.
The various forms of gas deposits hosted in the Earth's near surface rock units are illustrated in the figure above.
This note describes the basic processes and some of the pros and cons in hydraulic fracking used for the release of petroleum related gases from coal beds or thick, discrete, continuous shale layers.
Those gas deposit types pertinent to the proposed work at the old Tilmanstone colliery site are coalbed methane (CBM) and gas-rich shale. The rock strata in which shale gas is trapped are almost impermeable to gas flow (Figure 2).
Access to the gas in both these deposit types is normally achieved by drilling a large diameter hole down to the host rock material, then drilling horizontally or at a shallow angle within the host rock so that a number of gas release points can be created. Thousands of tons of water mixed with sand and various chemicals are then injected as illustrated for shale gas extraction in Figure 3.
The access borehole for both coalbed methane (CBM) and gas-rich shale has to be lined with steel casing, and must include completing cement grouting between the casing and the rocks at the edge of the borehole. Through any porous units such as chalk or sandstone, the upper portion of the borehole should include up to three layers of casing and cement grouting as has been submitted by Coastal Oil & Gas. This is to ensure that there is no passage either into or out of the borehole for any fluids or gases.
This is a key part of the process involved and it is necessary to prove that the cement grouting has been properly completed. A geophysical wireline survey of the hole, at least though the porous rocks such as the chalk, should be completed with at least a Full Wave Sonic tool and an Acoustic Televiewer.
I have completed this kind of work for a CBM project in southern Africa, where a company went bankrupt as they could not extract the gas consistently. The geophysical results clearly showed that the cement grouting was poorly completed and fine grained sedimentary material was falling down between the borehole wall and the casing and blocking the exit holes through the casing.
Water Consumption
Fracking for these gas deposits consists of two initial phases: first several access points to the gas-rich rock are opened by exploding a number of charges with material that can pierce the casing and fracture the host rocks behind the casing; then a fluid with propping agents, specifically sized to the fractures and size of the fractures, is injected at high pressure down the borehole and through the fracking points created by the explosives.
The fluid used can be up to 99% water, which is normally collected locally. The amount of water that may be used will generally be within the following ranges:
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Such a shame as howard says that roger had to bring the politics into it.
buy hey,,,,,,
hi tracey, i hope we can have some lively debates from yourself, not just on those that may affect your village.
It sounds like your well up on the issue
Of course there will be differing views on this and red herrings
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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a couple of points here.
a) i thought all 3 villages had already got together and pooled resources, apparently not.
b) the link from tracey smacks of a highly organised pressure group rather than local concerned residents.
beware of people with their own agenda jumping on the bandwagon.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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The info about the meeting at Shepherdswell on 3rd Oct was sent to all parish clerks in the district - strangely enough from a Home Office email address!
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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It appears they've already made up their minds and are dead set against the idea without, it seems to me, examining any empirical evidence. With Clair Hawkins on their side you know they're not to be taken too seriously. She still believes miliband's idea for a suspension of energy hikes is a grand idea. She also follows the dead end road which is renewable energy which says it all.
It's all looks like this is going to turn into Balcombe mark two with a rag tag of greenies jumping on the biofueled bandwagon heading to greenie utopia which is de-industrialization, massive job losses and a tripling of our energy bills.
Hold onto your hats folks.
Guest 1057- Registered: 21 Sep 2013
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#135 thanks Reg for all info on fracking but without causing disrespect I am confused why ? I'm Getting the vibes that Shepherdswell has been derailed by these pressure groups and is focusing their efforts on campaigning against fracking. We have been advised so many times that the mere mention of the word will result in KCC disregarding our concerns. We all need to focus on the application at hand, you can't object to something that isn't in the mix, whether it's the bigger picture or not.
We all need to pull together and find a significant reason why borehole drilling in these locations is ill sited. They know about the water supply, noise, dust, lighting, protected habitats....CO&G have had these issues before and still been granted permission to drill. Guston is looking for an issue that will halt the app at the onset and will be keeping a distance from anti fracking groups. I'm not against this type of exploratory drilling, we need energy but it's not fair to carry out these procedures in little communities and affect everyone's lives that live there
