Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thanks Bob.I was offered by Rob Prince to a helicopter flight.First of all I don't like heights but secondly as Chairman I I tried to be non political
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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(Note to self - do not make purile joke about local developer offering to show Sue his chopper - you are dealing with quite enough complaints from the easily offended already - not funny - not grown-up)
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Ha ha .You are funny
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- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#460 - The chap's name is Robert Prince, not Price. We'll put this down to a typo, shall we? If you're on such chatty terms, I would expect you at least to know his name. Intriguingly, he resigned from the board of CGI in December last year. Curious that he should still be glad handing the local Tory mandarins.
Of course developers should expect to make a profit. Why else would they do it? But why borrow all that money to acquire land with no planning permission and no guarantee that a profitable project would ever be approved in such a sensitive area? Please re-read the Supreme Court judgment and then come back and explain why the planning officers' original decision was overturned despite it being noted that "significant harm" would be inflicted on an AONB.
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,696
It doesnt - different project different developer
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Mr Hudstone, yes, it was a Typo.
This afternoon I googled and found this page
http://www.cgiplc.com/contact.php
I 'phoned the mobile number and spoke to Rob. Answering his iPhone and answering some questions is hardly 'gladhanding' I would suggest?
Perhaps people could try the same cunning ruse with local 'mandarins' rather than second guessing what's going on and seeing conspiracies?
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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Ross Miller wrote:It doesnt - different project different developer
Ok, thanks.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#468 Very drole, Mr Craddock. Very drole.
Just a deflection again though. Not an answer to my question. In terms of "glad handing", the non-directorial Mr Prince was very happy to pose with our Charlie each displaying their avuncular smiles with the slogan "let's just get on building the houses that we need" or similar waffle. I'm glad he took your call. I hope it helped you approach a serious local planning issue with objectivity and a healthy disregard for local politics. A bit like the Law Lords did in making their decision. Did you read the judgment?
A few of us tried to approach CGI (or more specifically their consultants - the RPS Group) at the recent 2 day event on site. The trouble was that by lunchtime on the second they all buggered off home. That was good local consultation, wasn't it? How I wish I had your influence.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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ray hutstone wrote:
The trouble was that by lunchtime on the second they all buggered off home. That was good local consultation, wasn't it? How I wish I had your influence.
Which is odd because I tried to do the same. Finding no-one there I rechecked the notification and found they were open from 14.00 and that
I WAS VERY STUPID and had not read the information correctly so I ended up kicking my heels around Dover for an hour and trying out the new M&S cafe. I believe they ended up staying longer that evening than planned due to visitors, not leaving until after 19.00hrs.
BTW. Fortunately (?) I have purposefully avoided having anything to do with 'planning' at DDC which leaves me free to comment about planning matters rather than tapping my nose and claiming 'client confidentiality' and 'need to know' etc as many of my colleagues are prone to do. WYSIWYG etc.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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There was no-one there in the afternoon. I wasn't alone.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Well I was certainly there from 13.45 ish (I got bored at St James') and when I left about 15.00 there were a number of people there from the developers and at least two 'visitors' they were talking to .............
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Interesting piece in this week's Private Eye regarding our neighbours in Shepway and their planning tribulations. Wonderful irony in the way the first paragraph sums up so succinctly the Farthingloe situation.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I found the last paragraph to be the most interesting, although the council leader is not on the planning committee he must give advice to those who are.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Howard - this is what happens when a hegemony develops on a district council. On most issues it will pass us by. Bins still get emptied, council tax is still paid, parking regulations administered etc etc.
Planning is more consequential because it can have everlasting consequences. Once a natural asset is gone, it is gone forever. I'm not trying to teach anyone's grandmother to suck eggs but I genuinely feel very strongly about this. There is a strong whiff of suspicion about how the Tory led DDC has pursued this application through the courts at a considerable expense of taxpayers' money. It hangs around the shoulders of DDC like a particularly virulent fart.
Planning has to take into account everyone's interests. If we have a local asset in the form of an AONB then it should only be sacrificed if there is tangible benefit to the people of Dover and the natural assets are taken into account. Charlie's actions on behalf of this debt laden company with its strange musical chairs directorships are wildly disproportionate. I will continue to fight it in any way I can and would urge others who can see through this web of bulls**t to do similarly. It is purely about profit, not the people of Dover.
How can anyone walk through the town and believe that concreting over the Farthingloe Valley in perpetuity is a priority? Now we will see which way DDC's priorities really lie - party allegiance or environment - when the new application is lodged. Why should we bail out a group of "here today and gone tomorrow" businessmen who are up to their necks in debt at the expense of our local countryside. It stinks just like the Shepway situation stinks.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Responses are beginning to come in to DDC's scoping opinion request. The same concerns are emerging particularly as it seems that the new proposal will be, by and large, a re-submission of the 2012 one, whatever spin the new consultants try to put on it.
I wonder how our planners will react this time. And will elected councillors overrule them if the outcome is not politically palatable?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Looking at the wider issue here Planning officers are highly qualified people whilst councillors are lay persons. I think this is one area where officers are better placed to make a judgement and councillors should follow their lead.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,018
Rightly. So
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Guest 2525- Registered: 19 Mar 2018
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Ray if you look up cgi documents on their web site and actually read stuff you will see that cgi only has a 40% share of a company that was dover gateway Ltd but now dissolved and spread through other off shore companies .... if you have the time once you find all connected companies and search through Panama papers you will find the link between it all
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