Guest 975- Registered: 19 Jun 2013
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Might I add that Chinese money is invested at Dover Port and UK Power Networks.
Andrew
Guest 944- Registered: 16 May 2013
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Hi Roger,
I am miffed, but we are all entitled to our opinions. I accept that there will need to be some development at Farthingloe, but I really felt the committee went too far with the housing numbers and accomodating the developer's interests rather than everyone elses'. 521 homes in the AONB is a very big deal and makes a mockery of the protection that status is supposed to afford. Had you gone with the officers' recommendation for max of 365 houses I wouldn't exactly have been over the moon but I'd definitely have felt better about it.
And I just don't trust CGI. They have no track record of community benefit, they are all about getting planning permission to develop sites like this, and are clearly focussed on maximising their return on their investment. Which is why it is so important that any permission is very tightly conditioned to ensure they deliver on their promises.
The two comments at the committee meeting that really did it for me where cllr Norris saying we should just trust the developers and cllr Beresford saying houses are nice to look at. That is making light of the very serious impact this will have on the whole character of the valley, not just CGI's property.
Andrew Richardson
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Andrew
So London will have considerably lower council tax's than the rest of the uk because it's got more housing and businesses paying in ????
Guest 904- Registered: 21 Mar 2013
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Given the subject matter Lesley, you may want to read your last post back to yourself and edit it to save your blushes...
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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paul
Maybe a mirrored ceiling ??
Guest 944- Registered: 16 May 2013
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One of the problems with this whole issue is the way it seems to drive people to take extreme positions, i.e. No developement/investment or Let developers do what they like and Dover will flourish. Neither is right.
And one other thing that winds me up a bit is the way CGI seem to have appropriated the name Farthingloe (which is mentioned in Domesday Book; we think it means 'hill of the fern dwellers'). For the record, CGI own Great Farthingloe. My family own Little Farthingloe. So CGI do not have a monopoly on this ancient name!
Andrew Richardson
Guest 944- Registered: 16 May 2013
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And yes,I'm led to believe 50 shades of gray is pure trash!
Andrew Richardson
Guest 975- Registered: 19 Jun 2013
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I didn't say you would pay less tax, having more people in the area mean the council will have more money to inject into other areas of the district, simple.
You can't even begin to compare London and Dover. Folkestone doesn't have a tourism industry as such, but it has people investing in houses and people commute to work because of the good links. Something Dover isn't doing at present.
Andrew
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Why not use the land for the intended use, for jobs ?
And build the housing in Whitfield??
PS.
But it doesn't mater the deals all been dun long ago ,
Brian Dixon
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there are some negative posts here,but I sure that the housing would blend in eventully.
as for the workforce who cares where they come from as long as they work hard and get the job done.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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and as an after thought it might encourage the powers to be to put a proper hospital in place of the 3rd rate polyclinic.
Guest 967- Registered: 9 Jun 2013
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I do apologise if my last comment was seen as rude it wasnt ment to be I just suggested an alternative read
Rollin wiv the punches
Guest 975- Registered: 19 Jun 2013
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Keith,
We can get companies into the town centre let along build more industrial units away from the town and how long can you keep developing Whitfield and neglect the real problem... Dover!
I would disagree that this area of Farthingloe is an AONB and it has no benefit to anyone in its current state. Completely agree that the hills behind the development should be protected, but this development would supply the type of housing that is required in Dover and in an area that could lure in slightly more affluent people. Regardless of where they work they will spend their money in Dover if the town is regenerated.
Andrew - I completely agree that is has to be the right scheme for the town, look at the mess thats been made of past developments.
I hope the deal has been done and this goes ahead, once someone starts investing hopefully more will too! There is a great deal to be optimistic about Western Heights and Farthingloe scheme, Buckland Mill Development, St James' Development, Buckland Hospital and many more. Hopefully these project will be the beginning of reviving Dover.
Andrew
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Hear hear Andrew, inward investment is essential to the regeneration of the town, So many false dawns, so many empty promises. Newcomers to the town will spend in shops, pubs and restaurants, jobs for locals will be created in construction and for estate agents and others associated with the housing industry.
Bring it on
Guest 975- Registered: 19 Jun 2013
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Couldn't agree more!!
Andrew
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Why do you think it hasn't happened Andrew?
I have my own thoughts but last time I expressed them I got banned
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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my understanding is that all construction workers must reside in dover district to get employment, the same applies to the apprenticeships in heritage work.
Jan Higgins
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Guest 975- Registered: 19 Jun 2013
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Well I think there could be several reasons why it's never happened or why Dover is particularly slow with its development process. If you look at Dover and its development since World War 2 there is little to be desired. Most of which you would never get planning permission for in most towns. For far too long Dover has lost its identity and simple exists as a gateway out of the country, the town centre continually stripped of any character and replaced with large blocks of cement. Why would anyone want to stop in the town before their holiday??
Obviously the financial crisis hasn't helped but it appears there are people that want to invest in Dover and they should be given every encouragement that we want them to invest.
Long and short of it all.... Money!
I think that's why the St James regeneration scheme isn't quite right too, no clear link to the existing town expect a small ally. If it's going to be done then it has to be right and for that scheme to work they need to demolish Dolphin House and the retail units around KFC. There is no reason why Dover shouldn't use the success Canterbury has had as a model for the St James development, obviously Dover is a smaller scale but Canterbury has retained its integrity and character with the Whitefriars development.
Also another town too look at and use for inspiration is Newbury, Berkshire. It's a small town but has recently completed a large regeneration programme for the town. If anything, Dover is in better positions to make a large retail development work with the amount of tourists that pass us by.
Sorry I could go on all day but I just think we should all be aiming higher and be more ambitious with what we want for Dover.
Andrew
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I still think the way to regenerate Dover district is to attract the passing ferry passengers and more,
Give them a reason to stop of and spend, this is the way to generate long-term employment
We need big entertainment venues like what Dartford will be getting. See the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-19867695
Should be looking to visionary companies like
London Resort Company Holdings, that will be spending £ 2 billion in Dartford.
What do we get, tin pot small house building quick profit companies running
Baer Ass.