10 September 2008
11:555878I would have thought that someone who had apparently been involved in this debate in such a big way would already know the difference between a community hospital and a clinic. And I hope you have the evidence to back up your allegation of "crooked decision making". That seems a bit strong.
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10 September 2008
14:315884A structure can still be termed a 'Community Hospital' if it provides day care and then ships elsewhere anyone needing to stay overnight. A 'Polyclinic' has to have space for examinations and consultations with a range of consultants. You have to try hard to spot the difference.
And this new structure is proposed for the Maison Dieu carpark, but that's alright they say, we will have Asda's carpark. Presumably so will Asda's customers, and the cable cars visitors and users of the town centre and the seafront, not to mention the staff of these places and other businesses in town. Does anyone think the roads around there can take it?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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10 September 2008
14:345885Sorry, Jeanette. A proud, 'I did it', when 28,000 people are opposed?
Hey, 'I shot the Sheriff."
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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10 September 2008
15:215886Dovorian good to have you back posting - clearly no more holidays in the sun for you!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 September 2008
20:535907i would still like to know what is going on.
some posts seem to suggest a full blown hospital, others a clinic of sorts.
we also get a post that says a meeting will take place, but no indication of who will be at it.
10 September 2008
21:365913If we knew who was really accountable for the project we could ask a straightforward question or two.........does anyone know...? I am sure a councillor or two would have an idea........
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10 September 2008
21:555921East Kent Primary Care Trust (supported by DDC and KCC) and I will let you know when the meeting is, where they are going to tell us what a good idea it is really, honest people, would we lie to you?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 September 2008
21:575922they will not reply bern, jan tranter posts about a meeting with the people that matter.
is she speaking as an individual, town councillor, district councillor?
are the people that matter, KCC, the pct, the government, lorraine senicle, reg hansell?
i suppose we are not classed as need to know people.
11 September 2008
07:095931I sit here, waiting for that lovely feeling of reassurance to sweep over me........no, not there yet.
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11 September 2008
07:275937Look Guys and Gals
Regardless of any or none number of people consultations that they may or may not have the outcome will be the same.They will build where they want and want they want regardless of public opinion.My personal view is anything we get is better than nothing. To be honest I'd rather use a brownfield site than taking up and destroying another greenfield in dovernewtown(Whitfield) At least the aged who generally don't drive and who on average require hospital services more often than the rest of us will be able to cab it or catch a bus to town.As for the argument about car parking etc I fully appreciate the problems associated with it but surely isn't it time that we put peoples care before the car.Sod the car let people walk cycle or bus it to work.There can be no complaints that there are not enough buses running to the town centre from all the outlying districts and villages.Just think how hard it would be to catch a bus into town then another to whitfield etc especially in winter.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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11 September 2008
14:535951Just a quick glance at the drawings will show the complete lack of an ambulance bay. It is obvious they will not need one because the 'range of services' will not include the sort of accident care that is so desperately needed. PCT made it clear in their 'public consultation document' that all they were going to provide was examination space for consultants and, possibly' some maternity cover. On paper they can call it a hospital if they have some beds for you to lie down on after an examination and that is what is on offer. Next Wednesday the PCT will be at The Ark at 9am to 'ANNOUNCE' the plans. In other words they will be there to tell us what we are getting and defend it all with figures from their questionaire based on the options they gave. You can bet that little or no mention will be made of any alternatives that were written in (even though they left space for them). This was proven at the last but one meeting in the town hall where they showed graphs of the set answers and completely ignored the fact that any alternatives had been expressed.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 September 2008
19:215969the very fact that it is expected to be up and running 2011, suggests that it is not going to be a full blown hospital.
i suppose that it is in the town centre and accessible to more of the population is a good thing.
like marek i will be grateful for anything better than we have now.
12 September 2008
07:116009I look at PCT and local authority planning in disbelief at times.........
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12 September 2008
14:066027Reading the write up in the local papers I noticed that the PCT have stated that "there is room on the opposite side of Maison Dieu Road that could be aquired for parking". My mother lives on that side of the road, as do numerous other people, there is also a very good B & B and a successful playschool. Which of these do they intend knocking down for a car park?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
12 September 2008
18:016039Manley!
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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12 September 2008
20:276042If you read the car parking strategy you may find out .Manley House is in Whitfield .Now now David and a Town Councillor and for Castle Ward.I think the place is William Muge ?? There again you also have Snelgrove House .Oh its a puzzle .Both in Castle Ward .
12 September 2008
20:336043Sorry Sue - what are you saying? That Willliam Muge or Snelgrove are due for demolition to make way for a car park? Igenuinely don't understand.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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12 September 2008
22:436049I dont know what will happen to William Muge or Snelgrove .They are not fit for purpose and the council do not have enough money in the HRA to refurbish them.This decision is in the public domain and many of the residents have been rehoused into more suitable accomodation.The homes will be sold to whom I dont know but we need the capital for our HRA so we can improve the rest of our stock all well known facts .I was merely pointing out that Manley house another scheme we are unable to refurbish is at Whitfield.A housing association may purchase the sites it is all in the future.\?We will have to wait and see.My duty is to see our elderly are housed in decent homes and exsisting tentants get their homes improved The government as I have stated take five million from us which we could use for investment .We can not build houses .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 September 2008
23:076050i am most puzzled here.
are "william muge" and "snelgrove", care homes, nursing homes, blocks of flats or what?
if they are not fit for purpose, why are people still living in them?
why would a housing association be interesting in purchasing such derelict sites?
13 September 2008
04:526051Good - thank you sue for the official comment - knew that would bring a response! yes a car park instead of housing would be cost effective - then send the new needed accommodation to whitfield where we dont want more.
Yes guys the idea is to demolish existing accommodation to provide a car park away from the new clinic ( sorry Part time Hospital )!!
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