Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Diana
I'm sure the venue would not be a problem for bands to play at, but a lot of posters appear to agree the seafont a good option.
lets hope our elected represenatives can start the ball rolling i'm sure those of us that agree will also join in.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
kieth,i find our elected represenatives deaf,blind or both in most cases.with an agenda of self destruction on all fronts.non of afore said have any forward thinking or brave enough to push forward planning that needs to be done.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That's a bit strong Brian - and not true either.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
roger,strong but true.the ddc/dtc needs a great big shove and a kick up the backside to get things THAT need doing to get done.at the moment its all lip service and very little action.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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BRIAN/PAULB
I find brian your last post disrespecful.
To try to explain further all cllrs and volunteers do so out of the goodness of there heart and with passion, we may not agree how they go about it, but i think Brian ifyou feel you could do a better job its time to put up or shut up
(sorry to be so blunt)
some exaples cross party of cllrs not deaf or blind(brians words)
Our own Roger(tory) who works tirelessly to make Dover a better place
Our own John Goodwin who has put on many gd events in Dover town hall
tried to think of a lib dem locally but sadly not many of them, but i suppose the district council lib dem leader works tirelessly
Vic for UKIP another
D Hannant and the indies
there are many more
so lets encourage, not discourage
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
kieth,in responce here is my answer.
1,
how long has ditz been talked about,10/12 years nothing has been done.
2,why has the town been run down so much.
3,the entire high street from the underpass to hollis moters is so unevan and shabby.
4,as the town stands now,does it inspire visators to stay for more than 1 hour before leaving in disgust at the lack of fasilaties in the town to keep them here.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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BRIAN
I did attempt to allow you to withdraw your comment, but okay you have a view.
just to reply on your negative comments;
D.I.T.Z. I still feel they had(all parties) put all there eggs in with Asda and that was a disaster, but hey thats still moving on not quick enough but moving
THATS DIFFRENT APPROACHES
Many people from different agencies have tried to get the town centre a better place, but your up against it for many reasons which some include the District councils policy of moving business out to Whitfield and openly supporting it, this will have an effect on the smaller shops in the town.
But this is not purely a council issue, its National govt to(rates) etc
THATS DIFFERENT APPROACHES
Yes hollis motors to underpass shabby, again not fully A council issue what about some of the business's taking a bit of pride on there frontages?
ITS DIFFERENT APPROACHES
There is a lot to offer visitors if marketed correctly, again thats not just councils its a number of agencies.
So it's all to easy to blame
I look forward to seeing your name on the ballot paper at the next local elections
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
kieth,if my comments seem negative its because every time im in town i get negative vibes.derilict shops,boarded up shops,foliarge growing every where,60s carbunkels everywhere.negative attitudes to everything.now you no why,depressing isnt it.
Maybe DDC/DTC should "kick ass" a bit more often and take a hard line on miscreant landlords?
A DIFFERENT APPROACH
Maybe DDC could do a lot more to promote tourism initiatives rather than just sticking up "Welcome to White Cliffs Country" signs?
A DIFFERENT APPROACH
Maybe DTC could be more active in getting the "closed" attractions "open".
A DIFFERENT APPROACH
Maybe cross-party agreement on a plan to improve the town centre for all would be good.
A DIFFERENT APPROACH
Maybe DDC will move quickly to approva an alternate plan for DTIZ so work can begin withing our lifetime.
A DIFFERENT APPROACH
Keith, I 'm afraid I share Brian's view and I have, in the past, "put up" without success. Sadly, even local politics is inculcated with party thinking by the electorate.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
sid,thanks the vote of confidance.
kieth/roger,if you think dover has inproved i chalenge you to show me exactly where,this does not include the train station or the promanade.im actully on about the town center here,if you like i will meet you by the entrance to the underpass and walk upto holis moters with you.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Sid
Many of your comments I don't disagree with, and yes, sadly you didn make it to the council chamber(believe me you aint missed much lol)
What we can do is continue to batter those in control(its not ,labour!!)
or as i have tried to do is talk up Dover and attempt to show how oher towns close by achieve things while Dover laggs behind.
By educatin and battling on.
Telling people they are deaf and blind is hardly likely to get them on board
just my view
DTC is controlled by LABOUR! DDC was controlled by LABOUR, and all we got was bus shelters for yobs at a fantastically high cost which most local tax-payers don't realise. Worse still, it was money down the drain.
Otherwise Keith, loved the bracketed comment mate!
I also agree, insulting councillors is not the way forward, but you just have to wonder why Dover has been so poorly served over the last 25 years. Perhaps they, and our previous MP's deserve to be slated for an obvious and dismal failure to get things done. There can be no excuses, as you rightly say Keith, just look at the towns around us. How is they can get on and do things while we just talk?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
keith
brian did not decry voluntary groups, only elected representatives.
hs is right, in my opinion, to lay the blame at the door of the councils, who else is responsible for the decay?
Why, those nasty Old Etonians Howard.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
The Chamber of Commerce "should" be the responsible body that helps develop ideas and implement them to move the Town forward.
I have been told many times that although people in charge - people who "could" make a difference, come and go, but the ATTITUDE about moving Dover forward, stays the same.
Your list earlier Sid, as DBS Manager, I had been working on, apart from DTIZ and in just over 4 months, had a fair level of success with all of it; in fact my list of projects and initiatives had 22 items on it.
I did not agree with the President of the Chamber of Commerce that my main priority, my only activity, was to sign businesses up to DBS - and I now believe that was the reason I was sacked, because I knew what wanted doing and they didn't want to be told.
I had had plenty of time to devise and work on these before I became the DBS Manager - I had waited five years for that job, ever since Mike Webb went to the Town Clerk's job.
The market will be starting very shortly, I hope it is a success - for Dover's sake, but from what I know (and it may not be all correct), it simply won't generate the footfall that could have been generated.
Roger
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I read alot from members of the public about what should and not be done,but what are they as a person doing about it ,they can always stand to get on one of the councils or join up with any of the groups we have in Dover,we must all try and help in anyway we can.
For what it's worth, however offensive it might be, I agree with Sid, Brian et al. Some individuals have been very active (some more than others!) but the corporate effect has been less than minimal. There is no way to disagree that Dover has been woefully let down by her paid and elected reps, to an outrageous and unacceptable extent. Just look at Dover - a beautiful and rewarding place with buckets of potential, neglected and mis-managed. People argue about their own patch, allow personal and political differences to affect judgement, and leave the rest of us speechless with disbelief and anger. And speechless doesn't happen in this house too often! Some advice to our paid/elected reps: shut up and do stuff.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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How about using the St James Car Park for Sunday Boot Fairs.They pull in the public who use the pubs,cafes, eateries and shops that are open without effecting too much of the local shopkeepers trade. Just an idea.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
to go one further, look at the coastal towns that niebour dover.
hythe,diverse shops with a viberante atmosphere,coupled with the rommany hythe and dymchurch railway a tourist attaction.
folkestone,with its new asda complex up and running and a good sunday market.
deal/sandwich,an award winning pier at deal along with vibrant shops and restraunts in both towns.
margate,with the turner gallery well on its way,along with the go ahead with the dreamland project given the go ahead to be compleated by 2012.
what has dover got to compeat with them,no good saying the castle as its out of town along with a few other places that of town.dover despretly needs somthing simular for its town center to keep the footfall in town.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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It always seems to me since being on here, that all members have much enthusiasm and ideas to make Dover better, and yet, it`s as though certain people above have a stranglehold on the town. If we were a third world country, it`d be called corruption!
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.