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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,790
30 December 2020 13:50367385
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Is that "independent and objective" depending on which side of the fence a person sits?.

It really no longer really matters as it is now a virtually signed, sealed and delivered whether we like it or not. This deal will either work out fine or it will not, I tend to be optimistic rather than pessimistic on this subject .
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ray hutstone
- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
30 December 2020 16:16367386
#162 report
Jan Higgins wrote:
Is that "independent and objective" depending on which side of the fence a person sits?.

It really no longer really matters as it is now a virtually signed, sealed and delivered whether we like it or not. This deal will either work out fine or it will not, I tend to be optimistic rather than pessimistic on this subject .

Perhaps you care to explain to me which side of the fence this chap is sitting on, Jan.

Oh sorry. Forgot the 'look how smug I am' emojis.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/sky-news-brexit-regret-6873634?jwsource=cl
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,009
30 December 2020 17:01367387
#163 report
Brian Dixon wrote:
yes keith, and dover suffers.

And Calais. Holyhead too I guess.
(Not my real name.)
Gary39
- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 446
30 December 2020 18:25367389
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https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/dec/30/the-estate-on-the-frontline-of-dover-traffic-chaos-a-photo-essay?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0MK7ABSBXj5989-1RcJVgEo6anNEPy-XH0iWRplfJr0y8U10rh-L8EVtU
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Gary39
- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 446
30 December 2020 18:26367390
#165 report
The above link is about the misery Aycliffe has to endure when Dover TAP is on. All we ask is that the queue is moved back and also facilities provided for the poor lorry drivers.
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ray hutstone
- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
30 December 2020 19:34367394
#166 report
The photos really do show the proximity between road and housing. Why do Highways England refuse to move the TAP queue back?
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,790
30 December 2020 19:46367396
#167 report
ray hutstone wrote:

Oh sorry. Forgot the 'look how smug I am' emojis.

Not at all smug just a bit of humour at that reaction to the done deal, no laughing emojis this time. LOL. LOL. LOL.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,226
30 December 2020 20:30367397
#168 report
ray hutstone wrote:
Perhaps you care to explain to me which side of the fence this chap is sitting on, Jan.

Oh sorry. Forgot the 'look how smug I am' emojis.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/sky-news-brexit-regret-6873634?jwsource=cl

I suspect he has always sat on the remain side of the fence, primarily because his company contingency plans over the problems caused by Brexit is to increase production in his French plant. Possibly another MSM stooge.
It does highlight the problems of what and who to believe with regard to the post brexit issues though.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,226
30 December 2020 20:36367399
#169 report
Gary39 wrote:
The above link is about the misery Aycliffe has to endure when Dover TAP is on. All we ask is that the queue is moved back and also facilities provided for the poor lorry drivers.

It really is baffling as to why they will not resolve such a significant issue with a simple and relatively cheap solution, i have previously emailed our MP, Council and Highways in support of Aycliffe residents but as you are aware it makes no difference.
But be assured; though it is of little comfort, the majority of Dover are with you.
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Arthur
- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
- Posts: 429
30 December 2020 21:11367400
#170 report
Sadly the majority of Dover are also SILENT. If anything is to be done to help these people then the majority need to be more vocal and press DDC/ Highways England/ and MP. Unfortunately all you will get is a generic email response, that’s certainly been my experience.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,226
30 December 2020 21:18367401
#171 report
This is true, I have encouraged friends and neighbours to do the same and I know some have as they have BCC'd me in, but I doubt no matter how many respond they are already aware of the issues and feelings about it and sadly just don't care.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,009
30 December 2020 21:43367402
#172 report
Reginald Barrington wrote:
It really is baffling as to why they will not resolve such a significant issue with a simple and relatively cheap solution

I'm confused; what is the solution to which you refer?
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,226
30 December 2020 22:05367403
#173 report
"All we ask is that the queue is moved back"
This one.
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Arthur
- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
- Posts: 429
30 December 2020 22:06367404
#174 report
Move the start of TAP back to the junction at Capel and restrict the junction to local traffic.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,845
30 December 2020 22:40367405
#175 report
Aycliffe and Dover has always had to suffer
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Arthur
- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
- Posts: 429
30 December 2020 22:54367406
#176 report
Unfortunately accepting that position is part of the problem.
Gary39
- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 446
31 December 2020 05:42367407
#177 report
The solution is simple move the start of Dover back up the hill next to the disused lay-by. They could construct barriers and with cabins to control the lorries. Not rocket science for Highways England. However my word to describe what I think of them are not repeatable on these forums.
Gary39
- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 446
31 December 2020 05:48367408
#178 report
Thank you for emailing the Highways England Customer Contact Centre on 19 December 2020 about noise issues on the A20 whilst Dover TAP is in operation.
I’m very sorry to hear that you’ve been affected by noise and the activity as a result of the operation in place. I can completely understand your concerns and that of other residents of Aycliffe during these unprecedented times.

Having read through your enquiry and the attachments you’ve provided, I do appreciate that it’s been difficult to progress your complaints.
Regrettably, Highways England are not a legal enforcement authority and therefore unable to take action against those who disregard courtesy when it comes to noise in residential areas. Whilst Highways England have supported the arrangements for Operation Tap, the traffic management required to put this in place is organised and led by the police.

Therefore, I suggest that your enquiry is sent to Kent Police. You can contact Kent Police by calling 01622 690 690 or online at https://www.kent.police.uk/contact/af/contact-us/
More information on Operation Tap can be found here.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/.../A20_Dover...

Thank you again for contacting us and please accept my apologies that we are unable to assist you on this occasion. If you require any further information, please contact the Highways England Customer Contact Centre. They’re available 24 hours a day by phone: 0300 123 5000 or by email
info@highwaysengland.co.uk or visit the Highways England website at www.highwaysengland.co.uk.

Kind regards
Gary39
- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 446
31 December 2020 05:51367409
#179 report
This is the latest letter from Highways England..

I found it very condescending to me. Especially sending me the link to what Dover TAP is.. sent a nice e-mail back.
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Gary39
- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 446
31 December 2020 05:54367410
#180 report
Hi,
Thank you for e-mail.
I would like to inform you of the following:

1. All we ask is that the start of Dover TAP is moved back along A20 up the hill. That way it will
It will not affect a residential area.

2. Dover TAP is manned by Dover Harbour Police not Kent Police

3. The noise from lorry Horns and pollution is not unprecedented because this has happened approximately 100 times a year day and night since it was implemented in April 2015.

4. We have contacted the Kent police on 101 and they say it is a Highways England matter anything concerning Dover TAP. I have even contacted the previous Kent Police commissioner. A newspaper cutting shows how she Pass the buck to you. I has also contacted the new police commissioner. I am waiting his reply.

5. Highways England put signs out say there would be £1000 fines with the illegal use of horns. No fines were ever issued.How do you tell which lorry driver is causing the problem?

6. Sadly sending me a links about TAP I find is very condescending. If you know where Aycliffe is in Dover you we know what Dover TAP is.

I would like a copy of this e-mail sent to someone of authority who understands the problem. Also someone in highways England Who has the power to move Dover TAP back.
Yours Sincerely
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