howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Peter Whittle UKIP member of the London assembly has lambasted the Mayor for announcing that he will be joining the "people's march for a second vote" this coming Saturday. Mr Whittle claims the Mayor is going against the democratic will although the Mayor represents er em London which overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I love the irony that for all for all the bellyaching about taking back control of our borders, the whole thing grinds to a halt because.......we need to have a border.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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The tail is wagging the dog yet again. Ireland should have been towed out into deeper water in the first place.
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Brian Dixon
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that will be a titanic job Pablo.
Jan Higgins
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Pablo wrote:The tail is wagging the dog yet again. Ireland should have been towed out into deeper water in the first place.
A bit like Scotland they are a pain in the rear end.
I know this is simplistic but surely the threat by May to reinstate the border between the NI and Ireland (which NI say they do not want) would speed things up.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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That would betray the loyalists in the six counties Jan who have been even more loyal since the PM gave them taxpayers money from the remaining three countries in the union to keep her in a job.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The republic of Ireland is part of the EU. Altogether that's a much bigger dog than than England and Wales.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph.
It should not have come as a surprise to anyone who has followed the Brexit negotiations over the past year that Theresa May signalled to EU leaders at last night’s October European Council dinner that she was open to extending the transition period. The 21-month period initially agreed was - as any trade expert in the land has been saying from the very outset - never, ever going to be sufficient to negotiate something as complex as a new trading relationship between the United Kingdom and the European Union.
And, of course, this will not have come as a surprise to Mrs May herself. Sir Ivan Rogers, her loquacious former ambassador to the EU said even before Article 50 was triggered it would take ten years to do a deal. She got that unpalatable memo, which was then deliberately leaked in order to undermine Sir Ivan to the point that his position became untenable. So he quit. But since then civil servants have continued to speak truth unto power. Olly Robbins, has been telling her the same for at least a year now - and, as this newspaper reported back in January, officials were discreetly discussing sounding out an extension period in Brussels back then.
But instead of explaining to everyone that Brexit was a “process, not an event”, the hysterical Downing Street machine denied this as a categoric lie. In March it was revealed that HMRC told cabinet that the UK would not be leaving the Customs Union until 2023 because - whatever kind of Brexit the cabinet agreed to - the technology would not be ready until then anyway. Downing Street persisted in the fiction of a 21-month transition. Right from the start, from her very first speech as leader to Tory party conference in 2016 when she made herself hostage to totally unrealistic promises on completely leaving the single market, customs union and European Court of Justice, Mrs May has failed to explain that the Brexit process must be taken one step at a time.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yep another Brexit cock up, the way its going we might as well save time and money by staying in
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Brian Dixon wrote:yep another Brexit cock up, the way its going we might as well save time and money by staying in
That would be exactly what the EU want us to do as they would miss our contribution.
I have always been in favour of a compromise between the EU and the UK but far to many of our self centred politicians are only thinking about themselves and their careers.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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This is the sorry story of Brexit, Jan. The whole thing has been for personal gain.
David Cameron only ever granted the referendum as a short term fix to an emerging problem from UKIP (he never expected to lose it). Boris and Gove chose their sides at the last minute not on what they believed was right for the country, but rather, which side represented the best vehicle to the leadership of the Tory party (they never expected to win it!) Both are still at it now, of course. For Theresa May' s part - she did the perfect job of saying all things to everyone, whilst keeping her powder dry to become everyone's compromise candidate for the top job. Again, she's doing the exact same thing now - saying all things to everyone.
Given this, the people I really, really feel for is those in parts of the country suffering from chronic under investment by Government - and who were hoodwinked into genuinely believing that leaving the EU, and having fewer EU migrants, will suddenly make their lives better. Sadly, the truth is that the reverse will be true.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Difficult to see any way forward now. The EU are acutely aware of new parties springing up across the continent and all carry an anti EU message so we must be seen to be punished so that other member states don't take the same course as us. The PM is safe in her job as her rivals don't want to carry the can for any major problems after we leave.
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The DDC Brexit taskforce are meeting their French counterparts at Whitfield today to discuss contingency plans in the event of no deal.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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never has a PM been so acidic, shes even overtaken Bliar?
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ray hutstone wrote:The republic of Ireland is part of the EU. Altogether that's a much bigger dog than than England and Wales.
Lions vs a herd of cows.
No need for us to be kneeling before a flock of sheep.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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baff, some thing tells me your feeling peckish. lol
Weird Granny Slater
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These metaphors are so confusingly mixed I'm up a creek without a leg to stand on.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Bob Whysman
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:The DDC Brexit taskforce are meeting their French counterparts at Whitfield today to discuss contingency plans in the event of no deal.
What a spiffing idea! Let them know the DDC plans to give them the chance to rubbish them or throw multitudinous spanner’s in the works.
(Is this an accepted metaphor or hyperbole Granny?
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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OK metaphor. Just need to work on your rogue apostrophe, BW.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus