Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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What's the problem? Zero tariffs. Free trade. Why would we or the EU be so stupid as to seek otherwise? (Unless one of us is a protectionist cartel!)
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Pressure is now building on the powers that be for a second vote especially as it is looking like there will be time for one.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45926996Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:OK metaphor. Just need to work on your rogue apostrophe, BW.
Well spotted WGS.....................
Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times.
Three former cabinet secretaries who have served every prime minister since Margaret Thatcher have launched an unprecedented attack on Conservative Brexiteers for undermining the integrity of the civil service. In a stinging rebuke to Tory backbenchers, Lord Armstrong of Ilminster said that “those who wish to undermine or frustrate” Theresa May’s Brexit policy should “concentrate their fire on the organ grinder” rather than the “monkey”.
His successor Lord Butler of Brockwell, who served under Sir John Major and Tony Blair, said that the attacks were undermining civil servants and were not in the national interest. Lord O’Donnell said that the way to strike a good deal with the European Union was not by “attacking our own officials”, adding that the process of negotiating the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition agreement in 2010 was “a piece of cake” compared with the challenges facing Whitehall over Brexit.
The intervention from three former heads of the civil service reflects the level of fury in Whitehall at a string of anonymous and public attacks on Mrs May’s chief Brexit adviser, Oliver Robbins. There has also been criticism of the direction of the government’s strategy after this week’s EU summit. On Thursday Mrs May offered to extend the transition period after Brexit, a strategy that was denounced by both Remain and Leave MPs.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Doing the rounds, not for those easily offended.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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For those who refuse to believe that the Referendum was advisory.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Yes, but when my other half or, say, a copper, offers me "suitable advice", it is generally prudent to take it!
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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So that would make the result of any re-referendum 'advisory' too.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Other member states, not just those in this article, have been planning ahead for a cliff edge exit.
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-its-not-enough-to-say-what-may-happen-after-brexit-11532116ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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We took a vote without fully understanding its consequences. It split the country. How can that be a good thing?
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Well, that's the thing about democracy (not that there's much of that in our household); there's no requirement for voters to research the outcomes beforehand - although Dover voters of a certain age would've have a better insight than many. I daresay that the same was true of the referendum that took the UK and its hangers-on into the Common Market and, in the fullness of time, we can always do it all over again.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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I hope you're right, Button. Not quite sure what you mean by the "UK and its hangers-on" though.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone wrote:I hope you're right, Button. Not quite sure what you mean by the "UK and its hangers-on" though.
Denmark and Ireland I assumed, anyway getting back to the issue of a second vote - in 2015 there was a General Election and my side lost but I "got over it", then in 2017 we were asked to vote again.
2016 and 2019 is an even longer gap.
Button- Location: Dover
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I meant Gibraltar, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man - of which the first was allowed to vote in 2016.
(Not my real name.)
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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probably cant work an answer out to the question, typical nitro and gang.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Well, they could get their man (Mattarella, the President) to sack the PM, or the Finance Minister for coming up with the wrong budget. I'm rather hoping for a firm ma vaffanculo to the EU's neoliberal imperatives, which are sure to leave Italy, Greece-like, in hock and in thrall for years to come.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
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