Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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punishment is the only EU deal on offer .time to move on and look to get what we need from other markets on W T O
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Bob Whysman
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Do nothing and nothing happens.
Brian Dixon
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ha ha bob,.
Button
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From the BBC News website, under the headline that Sir Keir believes a no-deal exit is a political hoax :
Sir Keir said the prime minister's attempts to "threaten rather than persuade" would not work and Labour is prepared to reject the government's plans.
"Labour will stick to its guns. Supporting a bad deal is not in the national interest," he said.
Instead, he said that MPs would be able to table motions, press amendments and trigger a no-confidence vote in order to prevent the UK leaving without a deal.
Sir Keir said: "I remain as convinced as ever that the consequences of no deal would be so severe that it cannot be allowed to happen."
Any chance someone could translate for me please?
(Not my real name.)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Depressing stuff from the Sunday Times.
Theresa May has been plunged into a deeper crisis after Brussels rejected her key Brexit proposal, which was intended to avoid the UK being trapped in an indefinite customs union. The prime minister had hoped to unite her cabinet and overcome the final hurdle in negotiations with the EU by offering to create an “independent mechanism” to oversee how the UK might leave a temporary customs arrangement if Brexit talks collapsed. But this weekend senior EU officials sent shockwaves through No 10 by rejecting May’s plan, sparking fears that negotiations have broken down days before “no-deal” preparations costing billions need to be implemented.
The mechanism was seen by key members of the cabinet, including the attorney-general, Geoffrey Cox, as crucial to preventing the so-called Northern Irish “backstop” being used to force the UK into being a “never-ending rule-taker from Brussels”. A Whitehall source described the plan as the government’s “life-support machine”, adding: “By rejecting the proposal, the EU has just turned off the oxygen.” A senior cabinet minister said: “This is the moment she has to face down Brussels and make it clear to them that they need to compromise, or we will leave without a deal.”
It also emerged that:
• Four remain-leaning ministers are on the brink of resignation after the departure on Friday of Jo Johnson, the transport minister, who accused May of “a failure of British statecraft on a scale unseen since the Suez crisis”
• Labour pledged to mobilise MPs from all parties to stop May taking the UK out of Europe without a deal
• Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 committee of backbench MPs, was accused of suppressing the fact that he had received enough letters to trigger a vote of no confidence in May.
The prime minister’s proposal for an independent mechanism to solve the customs conundrum, delivered last week to EU leaders, was seen by cabinet Brexiteers and remainers as the best way to avoid a hard border between Northern Ireland and the republic. However, it is understood that Brussels has told No 10 that it would be impossible for the arbitration to be enforced by anything other than the European Court of Justice (ECJ). The rejection raises serious questions for the cabinet meeting expected on Tuesday, when the proposal was intended to unite warring ministers. The latest delay casts doubt over whether May will be able to secure a November summit to sign off a deal. She has been scrambling to agree the outline of a deal by the end of this month. Cabinet sources admitted that failure to do so would leave the UK struggling to push through the complex legislation needed to ensure its smooth departure from the EU in March.
Dominic Raab, the Brexit secretary, told the cabinet that November was the final realistic moment to switch to full-blown no-deal planning if the government was to be ready. Ministers fear that businesses and financial markets will start betting on a no-deal outcome, threatening to crash the pound. Last night senior Brexiteers lined up to urge May to face down the EU. David Davis, the former Brexit secretary, told The Sunday Times: “Taking back control of our laws and borders means that a sovereign UK parliament must be able to determine our future as a self-governing, trading nation. Our destiny must not be in the EU’s hands. “Brussels’s demand that the arbitration panel should be bound by ECJ decisions could result in a permanent backstop arrangement — everlasting customs union membership. This makes a mockery of the referendum result. Cabinet ministers need to recognise this and London needs to face down Brussels.”
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/12/brexit-plan-complete-shambles-uk-boss-of-thyssenkrupp-says
"It is a complete shambles. They have failed business. The Tory party aren’t making decisions for business, they are making decisions to prevent an implosion in their own party.”
Captain Haddock
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Tomorrow and for one night only at the Palace of Varieties, Fort Whitfield, Dover District Council present
Potential Impact of Britain Leaving the European Union on the Dover District
Is DDC ready for Brexit on day one (quote 'our' Charlie) or is the empty Stembrook Car Park about to become a lorry park? All will be revealed ........................
https://moderngov.dover.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=139&MId=3128"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Stembrook has potential Bob. All of 5 lorries perhaps ? Do you intend to offer your vast array of experiences?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Yup. This is why we 'invested' in the old Co-op. Keith's already given me outline permission to use it as a mega-bordello selling Yorkie bars.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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bob honestly, yorkie bars they are from yorkieshire arnt they. better sell local cob nuts, plenty about at the moment.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'Disgraced former Tory District Councillor now in in sexist advert row'!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Re; Bob's business plan.
Keith Sansum1
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So we are all in this mess then
no light at the end of the tunnel
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Seems that way Keith, Mr Barnier is presenting a draft treaty to the PM on the morrow. the idea being that she gets her cabinet to agree it(try not to laugh), fanatics on both sides of the debate simply refuse to give ground and it will be back to square one going into injury time.
I do wonder if Mrs May now regrets her desperate ambition to be the PM, arguing a case for leaving the EU after campaigning to stay in says a lot about her principles. As for Charlie!!!!!
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:So we are all in this mess then
no light at the end of the tunnel
No light at the end of the tunnel Keith? Have they concreted it up already?
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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no bob, they cant afford the long life bulb [ 10 year warrenty one ]and the want the lecy bill to be paid in euros.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2685
Would be interesting to know the outcome of the meeting.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Thanet District Council talking to Kent Online - spot the glaring error.
"We recognise that Ramsgate could play a role in supporting post-Brexit resilience by offering an alternative route from some cross-Channel traffic, to ensure at least some movement of goods should there be significant delays in Dover.
"As part of this the council has reviewed the capability of the Port of Ramsgate to provide capacity to support the Brexit position which, with an investment of £26 million, includes the potential for up to 24 sailings a day which would create capacity to divert 3,360 lorry movements per day from Operation Brock from the M20 and M26 significantly reducing pressure from the Port of Dover during peak traffic flows."
The authority says this would be beneficial to the Just in Time production processes and logistics.
It added: "The government has not responded to the council on that basis but we are aware that the government is having discussions with other parties regarding contingency arrangements.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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The glaring flaw is that there are no customs clearance agents in Ramsgate so all trucks will have to get their clearance documents processed either in Dover (Lord Warden House) or at Stop24 at Folkestone services on the M20.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I thought the even bigger area is the reference to "just in time" which can only continue if we remain in the customs union. If we do remain then there is no need for any other port to get involved.
