Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,987
Just when you think you can think of nothing else which would lower your opinion of our elected 'representatives' you find this!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
more discrediting crap being thrown around again.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Odd that you should choose that example, Cap'n. You could have looked much closer to home. Check out Charlie's pro-remain stance leading up to the referendum. It's all on record. And he's a much nearer target for you to lower your opinions on.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Casting my mind back, in 2015 Charlie was clearly Eurosceptic as UKIP were on the crest of a wave and were targeting our constituency. He won comfortably and "call me Dave" promoted him to the whip's office so became a remain supporter up to the Referendum. After that he went completely the other way and has actively campaigned for a cliff edge exit. Seems consistent enough for me!!
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,033
The BBC's version:
"Separately, Conservative MPs on both sides of the Brexit argument have been planning for a
no-deal scenario.
According to a leaked document, the proposal drawn up by the rival factions would extend
the transition period - during which the UK would continue to follow EU rules and pay into its budget - from the end of 2020 to December 2021, to allow more time to reach a free trade deal."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47037365
I'm missing something, right? I could've sworn that 'no deal' meant absence of an agreed Withdrawal Agreement, not absence of an agreed future trading relationship.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
The Chancellor made it clear that the "divorce" fee was payable regardless of any or no deal, the UK is legally bound according to him.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,822
This is what Howard's link is about (copied from FB)........More on Brexit blood donations: 'No effect on blood stocks'
Mike Stredder, the director of blood donation for NHS Blood and Transplant, has released a statement after Brexit led to some blood donor sessions being cancelled.
He said: "We have taken the decision to cancel donation sessions in Dover and Folkestone for a two week period before and for six weeks after Britain's exit from the EU.
"This is because in the event of issues at Calais and other freight ports, Operation Stack may be put in place by Highways England and the Kent Police.
"This could lead to significant traffic in Kent and may prevent donation teams from reaching venues in the area or a donation leaving."
He said only six blood donation sessions out of 2,700 held around the country would be affected - and replacement sessions would be held to compensate.
"There will be no effect on blood stocks or on our ability to supply hospitals," he added.
The world has gone mad either that or the NHS thinks it will have enough blood in stock by then.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,235
Although this seems a bit excessive there is an awful lot of planning involved to setup a donor station what with all the staff, hundreds maybe thousands of donors and all the admin that goes into booking their appointments, better to cancel in advance than to have hundreds of donors turn up to find session cancelled.
Blood only stores for around 30 days so they would not need much to cover a small areas donations and plasma stores for a few years so they would already have that stock available.
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,492
If these people can't find their way to and from Dover without using the A2/M2 and A20/M20, then I don't think I can trust them to stick needles in my body
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,492
Although...
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/blood-donations-will-not-stop-during-brexit-197886/
Government officials have stepped in to ban NHS Blood and Transplant from cancelling donation sessions in Dover and FolkestoneButton- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,033
Quite right not to cancel donation sessions - what's wrong with having a mobile centre at Manston?
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,987
So apparently
'Theresa can go back to Brussels with the full weight of Parliament behind her' (Sky News)
'She did it! ............ Now it's up to the EU' (Daily Express headline)
In the real world the other Donald thinks otherwise!
The European Council President Donald Tusk and the Government have both said that the Withdrawal Agreement is not open for renegotiation after British MPs gave their backing to proposals to replace the backstop.
A spokesman for Mr Tusk has said that the backstop is part of the Withdrawal Agreement and the Withdrawal Agreement is not open for renegotiation.
Mr Tusk was responding to a vote in the House of Commons this evening where British MPs authorised Prime Minister Theresa May to go back to Brussels to try to renegotiate her Brexit deal.
"The Withdrawal Agreement is and remains the best and only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union.
"The backstop is part of the Withdrawal Agreement, and the Withdrawal Agreement is not open for re-negotiation."
"The December European Council conclusions are very clear on this point.
"We will continue our preparations for all outcomes, including a no-deal scenario. We will also continue the EU's process of ratification of the agreement reached with the UK Government," said the statement.
If there were to be a request for an extension of Article 50, the statement continued, the EU27: "Would stand ready to consider it and decide by unanimity. The EU27 will adopt this decision, taking into account the reasons for and duration of a possible extension, as well as the need to ensure the functioning of the EU institutions."
"President Tusk will stay in close contact with EU27 leaders," the statement concluded.
Impasse?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,033
Our MPs seem not dissimilar from IT staff in their way; tell an IT team to think outside the box and they'll happily debate for hours what the colour and shape of the box should be.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,298
The inconvenient truth remains that the UK/Ireland border would be the EU's outer border with a third country. Can you imagine the uproar in the UK (assuming we were still members) and elsewhere if, say, Poland said "Hi all, just to let you that that we're having a bit of local difficulty with Belarus, so we are going to remove the hard border. Hope all ok - love Poland..."
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,822
Is it my far to simple logic to think that this troublesome border could be moved to the ports or airfields to cover the imports and exports problem.
Even with the Irish problem sorted I guess the Remainers would then find something else to try and F things up.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I think Boris and his ERG mates have played a blinder with their fake enthusiasm for the supposed new deal. They know the chances of it being successful are miniscule and with the prospect of the PMs job coming up for grabs they will have shown themselves to the party members as loyal to the last, which counts for a lot when they choose a new leader.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Yep. The knuckle draggers and have had their day and the Tory party is, for the time being at least, still in one piece. Quite what will happen when she returns from Brussels with a flea in her ear remains anyone's guess. The opposition continues to do anything but oppose in reality, leaving us heading for a national quagmire entirely of our own making.
And still some siren voices continue to blame the remainers. I think Neil has illustrated the point very effectively but once again to spell out the hard facts - the EU is a single market. If we do not wish to be part of that market or its associated customs union, then we have to accept the fact that border controls between ourselves and the single market will be necessary. Neither the Swiss nor Norway - Sweden borders are frictionless. Our single land border with the Irish republic will not be allowed to be frictionless either. The EU places the integrity of its market above all else. This has been known from the outset but has, as Neil says, been an inconvenient truth denied, dismissed and often spurned by the real F uppers in this equation.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
apart from the irish problem and troublesome mp's, how much is it costing the tax payer transporting Maggie may and her entrage moving to and thro from the uk to brussels.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"