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No it's if we don't I recon we will they can't stop us
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
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kimmie, have you noticed that they are laghing behind his back,[farage's back that is.]
Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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Brian Dixon sorry I don't understand
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Howard we will make sure that doesn't happen
Captain Haddock
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More Project Fear stuff:-
Nissan shelving plans to build new X-Trail in UK, claims report
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/02/nissan-x-trail-uk-brexit
So where are Nissan going to be building these
diesel X Trails that nobody wants (and indeed, Europe is currently trying to ban) then?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kimmie,here is your answer.
if you see him having a rant [ooops debate in the euro parliament] people are laughing at his speech.
you have to keep watching the newa programs to see it
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Sunday Times.
The promise to unite the country was one of the more comprehensible pledges in Theresa May’s “Brexit means Brexit” pitch to be prime minister. So far she has failed to deliver unity as surely as she broke her promise not to have an early general election. An extensive Survation opinion poll taken after last Tuesday’s Commons drama found that the nation is still divided into three camps: those keen on Brexit, those reluctant and those who can’t make up their minds. The split is not always even, but there is seldom a majority opinion among the citizens surveyed, as in the House of Commons.
“If the UK does not change its position would you support or oppose the UK leaving without a deal?” Support 41%; oppose 44%; don’t know 16%. “How about a softer Brexit in these circumstances?” Support 40%; oppose 35%; don’t know 25%. There is a slight tilt to the remain side on most questions, including the big one (referendum voting intention: leave 45%; remain 55%), but not enough for either side to claim a new mandate. Still, for the first time last week May did manage to unite almost all Conservative MPs (except eight rebels) and the Democratic Unionist Party behind her withdrawal agreement, as modified by Sir Graham Brady’s amendment to find “alternative arrangements” to the Irish backstop.
With less than eight weeks to go until Britain is due to leave the EU, the essential question is whether the Tory party can stay united long enough to deliver an orderly Brexit, especially after the icy initial refusal by the EU’s 27 other member states to renegotiate. The European Research Group (ERG) is a party within a party. The only people reluctant to admit this are its members, who simultaneously boast of their power to destroy the plans put forward by their own Conservative Party leader. Either way, the group’s decision to swing behind the Brady amendment last week handed May a qualified victory.
On the eve of the vote Sir Bernard Jenkin declared that the ERG would not back Brady’s amendment because it was not specific enough. That changed overnight as the news emerged that a so-called Malthouse compromise had been crafted by a younger generation of Tory MPs. The fact of this compromise is more important than its content. It signals that warriors on both sides of the Brexit war are exhausted and coming to realise that total victory will not be theirs. Instead remainer lambs, including the former minister Nicky Morgan, had indeed lain down with leaver lions, including the middle-ranking minister Kit Malthouse and the ERG commanders Steve Baker and the rebranded “Jake” Rees-Mogg. Tory colleagues of all shapes and sizes, including Jenkin, applauded them for getting together.
The Malthouse compromise is compatible with the Brady amendment. Closely examined, it reads more like a ladder for the ERG to climb down from opposition to May’s deal than a trap to pitch her and the rest of the UK into a no-deal Brexit should she not secure the specified “legal text to amend the withdrawal agreement to replace the backstop with an acceptable indefinite solution set out in A Better Deal”. A Better Deal is the document produced by the ERG last month that postulates theoretical hi-tech alternatives to a hard border. Whether the prime minister is successful in Brussels or not, in both scenarios the compromise proposes continued payments into the EU during a transition period extended by a year to the end of 2021. This would remove the need for the short extension of article 50 that the EU is believed to be considering. But a transition period can be secured only if a majority of MPs delivers a meaningful vote in favour of some kind of deal. The Malthouse compromise implicitly makes the case for ERG MPs to keep supporting May’s efforts. It contains no bravado about a no-deal Brexit being no big deal.
The immediate response to events in Westminster by European leaders has been, regretfully, to talk up the chances of no deal. No credible actor is willing to say that the EU will reopen and rewrite parts of the withdrawal agreement reached last year. The British side has been studiedly opaque as to whether actually altering the main document is a prerequisite. The Malthouse compromise minister Robert Buckland believes a legally binding codicil on the temporary nature of the backstop would be good enough. The EU has so far offered reassuring language.
In practice the EU27 and UK government are both funnelling MPs back towards the agreement already reached for fear of no deal. Nobody wants to own a no-deal Brexit. Not even Boris Johnson, who said no deal was not desirable after the votes on Tuesday, seemingly forgetting that he had argued in his newspaper column a few weeks earlier that it was the best option.
If the prime minister still cannot win she will have the option of reaching out further across the aisle to threaten recalcitrant Brexiteers with an outcome they fear. The business minister Richard Harrington is confident that there would be a large majority of MPs in favour of remaining in the customs union should party discipline be abandoned utterly. This remains a government that does not know what it is doing, typified by the decision last week to cancel the Commons spring break, quickly followed by reassurances to MPs that they needn’t bother to turn up since nothing pressing would be debated. May has been driven along as much by absorbing defeats as by her own planning — from Gina Miller’s Supreme Court victory to the Brady amendment. Yet the two most important pillars of her pitch to her party are still in place. Her “duty to deliver” Brexit and her belief, as stated in June 2016, that “I’m Theresa May and I’m the best person to be prime minister”.
@AdamBoultonSky
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Nissan seem to know what they are doing and more importantly no massive job losses in the North East.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47107561Guest 3065 likes this
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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KCC loses all sense of reality.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/no-deal-brexit-public-disorder-fears-198160/
Aux armes, citoyens,
Formez vos bataillons,
Marchons, marchons!
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ok bob, here is an English version so every body can sing along.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Boris sharpening his knife in the Telegraph.
I don’t know if there really is some genius in Tory HQ who wants to call an election this year, but if there is I would like to reach out to that person and shake them warmly by the throat. I have never heard such a ridiculous idea – and let me be clear that I do not say that because I have the slightest terror of the Labour opposition. Look at Corbyn: he is deteriorating before our eyes. Last week in Parliament he gave an absolute masterclass in the factionalism and sexism that are the hallmarks of the old Labour Left – petulantly refusing to take an intervention from a nice and hardworking Labour MP, Angela Smith, and making it abundantly clear that his boycott applied exclusively to her, as though she were some box of Israeli oranges. He couldn’t answer basic questions about his weird plan for Britain to leave the EU but remain in the customs union. Would we still sign up to the common customs code? Would we be able to do free trade deals? Would we be represented round the table in Brussels, and if so, how?
He was clueless and confused; and even if the Conservatives do not now luxuriate in the same kind of poll lead we had before the 2017 election – which did not go according to plan, to put it mildly – we are nonetheless uniquely blessed in our opponent. No, the reason I object to an early election is not that I think the Government is doomed to lose; far from it. The reason an election is wildly premature is that Corbyn is not alone in his fundamental confusion. Yes, he seems fatally incoherent on the crucial question of the customs union – but then so is the Government. If Tory MPs were asked to go into electoral battle in the next few months, there would be a hole in the heart of our manifesto. I have no idea what we would say about the EU – because after two and a half years of dither the truly astonishing feature of the UK position is that the big questions have still not been answered.
We are still proposing to give up £39 billion – a staggering sum – with no clarity about the future relationship; and when I say there is no clarity, that is not by any means the fault of the EU. It is unclear what the UK is really asking for. In the course of the next few weeks we are all hoping that the Prime Minister will use the mandate of Parliament to get rid of the backstop. If she is brave, she can rewrite the Withdrawal Agreement so that we are no longer trapped in the customs union and single market. If she is tough, she can remove the threat to Northern Ireland. But then what? Remember that after March 29 we do not really shake ourselves free from the rule of Brussels. On the contrary, the PM’s plan is that we would enter a protracted and humiliating “implementation period” during which we would have to accept every jot and tittle of EU law, with no one in Brussels to represent UK interests, until such time as we have finally negotiated a new relationship. The present plan is that this servitude would go on until at least the end of 2020, and if we enter the backstop it might endure forever.
It is not an implementation period; there is nothing to implement. It is really a negotiating period, which already promises to be uniquely difficult because the Prime Minister has brilliantly decided to give up our most important negotiating capital – the £39 billion – in advance. So the question that would be posed at the election is the question that for two and half years the PM has refused to answer. What sort of deal does she really want to do – in her heart? Even if it is improved, the current Withdrawal Agreement is capable of all kinds of interpretations. Yes, Britain could in theory end up with a Canada style-free trade agreement; we might actually obey the request of the people and take back control of our laws. We might finally take advantage of the freedoms of Brexit. On the other hand there are plenty of people round the Cabinet table who want no such thing. They want to keep us locked in the customs union; the don’t mind at all if we remain subject to EU law, with no influence on the making of those laws.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the end is nigh. don't panic.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Why would anyone actually BUY a car when Lidl in Germany are offering Fiat 500's on leasing for €89 a month. (4 years, max 10,000 Km per year)
https://www.bild.de/auto/service/service/fiat-500-ab-89-euro-bei-lidl-leasen-wie-gut-ist-das-angebot-59936762.bild.html "We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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would that be the small one or the bigger model bob.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
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Re 3436: I shall have to read this - sounds eminently sensible. What did make me laugh is that Ramsgate is not on the list of ro-ro locations...
(Not my real name.)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#3439,ahhhh ok bob the small one.
