Brian Dixon
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yeah i wonder to
Reginald Barrington
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What are the top 3 'dictates' as far as you're concerned, Jan, that we can now revel in our freedom from?
The main hope was that remainers would stop banging on, but that was just wishful thinking.
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Button
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Jan Higgins wrote:We all must have realised there would be glitches at the start of this new Europe, these will get sorted eventually some to our benefit and some to the EU...
In fact, a number of forum members didn't spot (or at least didn't mention) the glitches, but I think you are right - trading will improve given time. For example, from PoD and GetLink (though surprisingly not their French sister ports): "Together with the Government, we will develop the world’s smartest border through ‘dynamic digital optimisation’, the harnessing of real-time and secure data acquisition, handling, interrogation and visibility that will help remove border frictions and create a world-leading virtual border solution for the Government’s 2025 UK Border Strategy that works not only for the Short Straits but nationwide."
http://www.doverport.co.uk/about/news/launch-of-short-straits-to-smart-straits/13574/.
The current situation is not helped by UK exporters (and press) who seemingly misunderstand what the free trade agreement with the EU actually covers, for example: "We experienced in December how it was frictionless, there were no issues, no problems, and then in January we are expected to pay [EU customs duty on goods made in China], which isn't what we agreed because we had a 0% deal," said business associate James Officer [of ECS Textiles].
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55858598.
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Captain Haddock
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Just been watching Dame Elton on the TV and wondering how the Beatles managed to play in Hamburg before we joined the EEC.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Just been watching Dame Elton on the TV and wondering how the Beatles managed to play in Hamburg before we joined the EEC.
Roger Daltrey was making exactly that point on the clip I posted earlier. He didn't understand the concept of a single market and customs union either!
How I Wrote Elastic Man- Registered: 5 Dec 2020
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Captain Haddock wrote:Just been watching Dame Elton on the TV and wondering how the Beatles managed to play in Hamburg before we joined the EEC.
The Beatles needed work permits, I don´t know if West Germany was using the carnet system, though
On the 1960 trip, their promoter didn´t have a work permit, and he was detained at Harwich, before lying his way out of the UK. Harrison was deported for underage working. McCartney and Best deported for arson, and Lennon had his work permit revoked. They had a hard job recovering their equipment from Hamburg. Not exactly the best advert for the good ole days!
I´m not so sure that opportunities that the Beatles had even exist much these days for playing out of the country, . Most bands don´t play the same city for weeks on end, they are more likely to have shorter tours, playing the festival circuit, or even one off gigs
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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We've been here before and it cuts both ways.
A domestic musicians' union ban, with the agreement of the Ministry of Labour, was initiated in the mid-thirties on visiting American jazz musicians, following successful visits from Louis Armstrong, Cab Calloway and Duke Ellington. Appearances from across the Atlantic virtually ceased for 20 years.
In Britain, jazz developed in quite unique ways and the following period saw the emergence of a consciously black and proud British jazz."There was a hole that needed to be filled and black British jazz evolved to fill that void," says Dr Catherine Tackley, Open University.
Perhaps it will lead to the development of a British 'sound' again?
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How I Wrote Elastic Man- Registered: 5 Dec 2020
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The world has changed since the 30´s
There is TV and the internet now
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:We've been here before and it cuts both ways.
A domestic musicians' union ban, with the agreement of the Ministry of Labour, was initiated in the mid-thirties on visiting American jazz musicians, following successful visits from Louis Armstrong, Cab Calloway and Duke Ellington. Appearances from across the Atlantic virtually ceased for 20 years.
In Britain, jazz developed in quite unique ways and the following period saw the emergence of a consciously black and proud British jazz."There was a hole that needed to be filled and black British jazz evolved to fill that void," says Dr Catherine Tackley, Open University.
Perhaps it will lead to the development of a British 'sound' again?
Yep. And as you say, the consequence was a fascinating period in the history of British black music. But, as posted above, not entirely comparable to the current situation because of vastly greater influence of technology. For may musicians now streaming earns a mere pittance. Live shows are where the money is for most jobbing performers.
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yes I am ready to play and sing again," Old MAN RIVER
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Statement from DHB:-
“A month on since the end of the Brexit transition period, the Port of Dover is pleased to already be welcoming over 90% of the freight traffic volumes typical of this time of year following the significant stockpiling experienced before Christmas.”
“The message to hauliers is that as long as you come to Kent border ready and with a negative COVID test, then it won’t be long before you are on your way to France on the shortest ferry crossing.”
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Interesting to know what the definition of "freight traffic" is, given reports that many of the lorries are going back empty. I rather suspect the bigger problem nowadays is the lack of tourist traffic!
Button- Location: Dover
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"Freight traffic" will either be LGVs or vehicles manifested as freight (which would then include vans), whether loaded or not. For the port at least, freight is the bread and butter.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Button wrote:"Freight traffic" will either be LGVs
Oops; should've said RHVs.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Button wrote:The current situation is not helped by UK exporters (and press) who seemingly misunderstand what the free trade agreement with the EU actually covers
Another example: 'Mr Cowgill [Chairman of JD Sports] told the BBC's World at One that there is no true free trade with the EU, because goods that JD Sports imports from East Asia incur tariffs when they go to its stores across Europe.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55997641.
Doh, that's because they're not UK goods, you numpty! It's not exactly difficult to understand - basically works the same way if they land in the EU and then come here.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Slightly off topic but it's going to be interesting seeing how HMG is going to tax on-line retailers when they don't actually make a profit from on-line retailing!
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The same with Ocado. Sales reach £2.2bn in 2020 but annual results show the group made a small loss of £44m in the year to 29 November. That compares with a pre-tax loss of £214.5m in 2019.
You don't tax turnover.
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As I see it Guston cannot win this one ,if it comes a lorry pk and does not pay for itself the council will take it over for more housing. Sad but that is how they work at times, I could like the football ground be wrong and hope I am ,but again it is a wait and see.
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