howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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John Buckley
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"Support for free movement of people", sounds impressive until we learn that the so called "new survey" that produced this garbage was actually commissioned by the EU commission!
I wonder who they actually asked in order to produce this particular pro EU statistic, remain voters perhaps?
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Brian Dixon
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or leavers come to that.
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All part of the EU propaganda machine in action Brian.
Their strategy at our expense makes Joseph Goebbels look like an amateur!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Anything to do with immigration or the EU brings out the worst in people and getting the true facts is nigh impossible because statistics can be manipulated to suit people's views. The Referendum campaign was evidence of that, in the end most people voted instinctively.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph
Spain’s effective veto over whether the Brexit deal will apply to Gibraltar could be illegal under EU law and risks being overturned by the European Court of Justice, The Telegraph can reveal. MEPs and legal experts have warned that the veto over Gibraltar's future after Brexit would give Spain special status among EU nations, which are supposed to be equal.
The EU's Brexit negotiating guidelines, drafted on behalf of the remaining 27 countries, state that the Brexit deal will not apply to Gibraltar without an "agreement between the kingdom of Spain and the UK". It led to accusations that Spain was using Brexit to mount a "land grab" for the Rock.Spain's right to a veto over Gibraltar's post-Brexit future must be based on EU treaty law. However, it is uncertain if Article 50, which triggered Brexit, is legally watertight enough to give the guarantee.
Nothing is clear about the legal issues arising from Article 50. Isabella de Monte, a Socialist MEP from Italy, has demanded clarification over the issue in a European Parliamentary question.She asked if Article 50 was strong enough to support the special treatment of the Spanish and, if not, if there was another legal basis for the veto in the Treaty of the EU.
Bart Van Vooren, of global law firm at Covington and Burling, said: “This is actually a complex question of EU constitutional law.“Could such a legal issue become an obstacle to the withdrawal agreement with the UK? That certainly cannot be excluded."
“Nothing is clear about the legal issues arising from Article 50,” said Steve Peers, expert on EU law and professor of law at the University of Essex. He added: “Usually the ECJ says that the EU has flexibility in international negotiations.”
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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More "bloomin' foreigners" coming over 'ere, tell us our faults...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40811712
He makes a very valid point too about wage bargaining:
"There is an element of Brexit uncertainty which is affecting the wage bargaining. Some firms, potentially a material number of firms, are less willing to give bigger pay rises given that it is not as clear what their market access is going to be over the course of the next few years," he said. ... now I understand why KCC councillors opted for the phenomenally low 15% wage hike.
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Captain Haddock
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Is it 'cos we is Brits?
With security chaos at air terminals across Europe as staff take advantage of new Shengen controls to irritate travellers, British newspapers are asking "Is it 'cos we is Brits?". That the nation now believes that the spiteful, vindictive and self-destructive dwarfs of Brussels are capable of such attempted Brexit sabotage means we have come far since 2016.
But someone needs to explain that no, this is not directed at us, this is just the EU destroying its own tourist industry by humiliating and frustrating the new rich from Beijing and Mumbai and the old rich from Tokyo, New York and London. All for the sake of preserving the sacred Shengen border free zone, more valuable to the Federasts than the entire European tourist economy.
These people really are arses.
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"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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[QUOTE="John Buckley"]Is Brexit really all doom and gloom, because that's what generally seems to be portrayed by the BBC and suchlike? But apparently not according to this Independent online article.
Sorry to upset our resident "remainers"!
In my view John it is all doom and gloom due to our politicians who for the most part are deciding on what is best for their careers rather than the country. Fourteen months and the Government hasn't decided what they want regarding "Freedom of Movement", "Single Market" and "Customs Union". Cabinet members say different things by the day whilst the opposition are trying to keep a low profile rather than have their splits highlighted.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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The more I think about it, the more I think that it should just be left to the Civil Servants to do, the people have mandated this and no political party outside of UKIP (who have no MPs) endorsed BREXIT prior to the referendum.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Call for Sir Humphrey!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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all doom and gloom this brexit thingy,we all be at the food banks by Christmas,good news for the turkey,the £ is dropping fast and will have those dreeded foringers coming here larfing there heads of and buying all our food,because it would be cheaper here than there place.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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That article only tells part of the story Brian, fishing rights in our waters gave other nations access to our waters long before the EC/ECC/EU brought regulations in. Gove like Farage before him is simply making a political point.
Weird Granny Slater
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John Buckley wrote:Is Brexit really all doom and gloom...not according to this Independent online article.
As with many things, we simply won't know until the dust settles.
But really, the author of the article is hardly herself independent:
http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/author/kathygyngell/'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Can't disagree with any of that WGS, but thought it was a change to hear something positive from the "other side" so to speak. A question of balance don't you know!
But personally I'm getting sick of certain media outlets and self serving politicians talking this country down which is no help to us whatsoever. Nick Clegg was a prime example with his pro EU lies and although he's "gone" that doesn't stop him from harping on, much like Blair of course.
Perhaps I'm just a stupid optimist, but I firmly believe that given half a chance, and admittedly it won't happen overnight, this country will thrive and flourish once we're away from the EU stranglehold.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#746 well said, Mr Buckley. The biggest positive, for me, in BREXIT is that there willl be no hiding place for the MPs. No more, 'Europe forbids us from doing this/not doing this'. They will be what they should be - accountable.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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The Bishop wrote:Romanus eunt domus, methinks.
What's this then, TB?
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
