howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of News Thump/
Britain could remain a member of the EU according to the same intelligence used to murder half a million Iraqis.Former PM, Tony Blair, made the astonishing claim based on watertight evidence gained while avoiding prosecution for war crimes in the Hague.Blair says he used his unexpected freedom to promote reform of the EU from within – time he would have otherwise spent tying his shoelaces together to form a makeshift noose.
In addition, Blair has produced satellite images which clearly show chief negotiators shifting their positions on the freedom of movement and indulging in pro-British sentiment.Blair said, “Here’s a picture of Donald Tusk wearing a Cool Brittania t-shirt, in a bar in Brussels, sharing a drink with Keith Allen.
“Meanwhile, this very compromising one shows Jean Claude Juncker giving expert oral relief to a cigar-smoking bulldog.“Just look at that technique. The length of shadow cast by the cigar suggests it happened during a debate on the Common Fisheries Policy.”
However, critics of Blair maintain the so-called evidence has been sexed-up.Brexit supporter, Simon Williams, said, “The bulldog has clearly been photoshopped from the Churchill car insurance advert.”
But last night Blair hit back, adding, “These findings would allow Britain to have its cake and reduce the plate on which it is served to a wasteland containing only crumbs.
“Trust me on this.”
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John Buckley
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Brilliant! I take back what I previously said about " News Thump " some months back.
But whilst I'm here, I note that the remoaners are still clinging on to the hope of a second referendum of sorts so that we can decide to vote the right way. But what I think that a lot of them still don't quite get is that whilst the economics of the situation are of course important, many people really did vote "out" because, amongst other things, they have had a gutful of being dictated to and taken for a ride by the unelected EU commission and handing over vast sums of money just for the privilege.
Strange though isn't it, we also keep hearing from the remoaners bleating on about the oh so important supposed £350 million a week not going to the NHS, but not a peep about the real threat of us being milked once more of approx. £85 billion as a "divorce settlement".........a drop in the ocean no doubt, but all for a good cause eh?
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Brian Dixon
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john,that 350 million quid was brought up by the leavers lot,they had to correct it later as they got there sums wrong. [must have had a abbot moment.]
as for the economics bit we are now worse off now than we where 18 months ago.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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as for the economics bit we are now worse off now than we where 18 months ago.[/QUOTE]
Another good reason then Brian not to meekly hand over on demand the £85 billion quid?
I'm beginning to wonder whether perhaps Cameron has come back as "advisor" to our negotiating team!
Jan Higgins
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Part of the Brexit problem is most of the information is still guesswork by the media and those with vested interests. A lot of he said she said but few actual facts are being made public by either side.
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Keith Sansum1
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Jan Higgins wrote:Part of the Brexit problem is most of the information is still guesswork by the media and those with vested interests. A lot of he said she said but few actual facts are being made public by either side.
I think this is exactly it Jan
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John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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I also tend to agree with you Jan, in any business negotiation its normal for both sides to jockey for position and in the end a bit of give and take usually secures a deal acceptable to both parties.
But historically when dealing with the EU it seems as though the trusted format becomes a case of we give and they take!
I'd be surprised if anything much different to that happens this time round, but we live in hope I guess.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It has been said often enough that Germany wants to punish us for leaving the EU even if it hurts their economy, this article goes some way to explaining why.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/07/18/brexit-least-europes-problems-germany-picking-tab-southern-europes/howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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I wouldn't trust that article. It has the words "Charlie Elphicke" and "influential" in the same sentence!
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Button
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Plus neither the EEA nor EFTA models actually give a transition period regarding freight and "Customs" checks; for the likes of Dover and Calais they still represent a cliff-edge Brexit.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Just read that article all the way through and Charlie just waffles on and doesn't commit to anything. The public have a right to know how long a transitional period will be and as for the agricultural workers just simply bring back the temporary visa scheme that worked well for many years before it was dropped due to the new member states joining.
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The length of any transitional period should be dictated by what needs to be done in it - build the Stamford vehicle park, for example. One of the snags is that it may not be possible to determine what needs to be done until the negotiations are concluded; in some cases it may be possible actively to plan for a future scenario, but if you plan for a worst case scenario, that's what you may well end up with.
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Much more interesting, who gave 'our' Charlie the line from Hotel California! He'll be quoting Captain Beefheart next.
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Weird Granny Slater
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Someone from his magic band I'd guess: I doubt the Charlie man would know his Eagles from his Housemartins.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Regarding Brexit, perhaps
Desperado would be a more fitting Eagles reference.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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that's a larf ,the town was gridlocked saterday morning evan with TAP in operation.
Button- Location: Dover
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That paper's been around a while now - pre-election; took The Grauniad a while to spot it.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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