howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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More waffle from Government Ministers about any transitional arrangement over free movement, would be nice if they made themselves clear so that businesses can plan ahead and the rest of us know what is planned. Luckily for the Government the opposition are in total disarray over the issue with some top people still thinking in terms of staying in the Single Market and Customs Union.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40734504Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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First Ian Duncan Smith, now Jeremy Corbyn gets it right about the impossibility of staying in the Single Market and The Customs Union; I don't know whether to say "bravo gentlemen" or slap my face in case I'm dreaming. And yet Channel 4 stated that Mr Corbyn was factually incorrect - I give up.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
I gave up last year.
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,923
Bloody Hell. I've just had an argument with my brother about 'chlorinated chicken'!
The next time my doctor asks me if there have been any examples of idiocy in my family I'm going to have to answer in the affirmative.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Oh I don't know, my parents' argument that almost had the crockery flying was about the using their double-drainer sink: left, into the bowl and right, or right, into the bowl and left. The pros and cons of chlorinated chicken seem sane by comparison.
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Not sure there are any pros to washing chickens in a chlorinated solution; or for injecting beef with growth hormones and high levels of antibiotics, or for that matter washing pork carcases in acetic acid. The first and last are no substitute for proper hygiene standards.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,856
much can be said on the conservative rebels on the same bob
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I had high hopes for Khan as Mayor of London but it all seems to have gone to his head. Someone should tell him that he is not even an MP let alone a Government Minister so his views on the EU question are totally irrelevant.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/28/labour-can-stop-brexit-but-only-with-fresh-vote-says-sadiq-khanJohn Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
I wouldn't give him the time of day, full of his own self importance and so far up his own backside it's untrue!
Yet another politician who just doesn't "get it" regarding why people actually voted to leave, but with an ego as massive as his then he obviously knows what's best for us all, supposedly!
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,295
To be fair, he is technically correct - the only way to reverse the referendum is to have another one that cancels the first. In addition, his job is to represent London, which voted overwhelmingly to remain, so can hardly be criticised for raising the issue.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think Neil is correct on his representation but also he bucked the trend on getting elected as well.
I think both camps(remain or leave) need to recognise others have opinions, and whilst you may not share them they have a right to air them.
Also sometimes they are correct and maybe your view of them isn't
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Chlorine dunked chicken in America? How awful.
God knows what will happen when people find out what's in UK water.
http://dwi.defra.gov.uk/consumers/advice-leaflets/chlorine.pdf"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,027
I found this paper an interesting insight as to the Republic of Ireland's take on Brexit - I think it shows they see it as a big deal for them, are into some serious head-scratching and are not afraid to share with their public:
http://www.merrionstreet.ie/MerrionStreet/en/EU-UK/Key_Irish_Documents/Government_Position_Paper_on_Brexit.pdf(Not my real name.)
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
- Posts: 1,071
Time to get John Gummer's daughter to have a plate of American chicken nuggets with a glass of UK water.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Now here's a surprise! (not)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Should this study be correct then Labour have problems coming up at the next General Election. Leaving the EU was not an issue to me in the last election so find it difficult to believe that one in three thought it was so important.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/remain-voters-tory-majority-election-labour-hard-brexit-conservatives-leave-eu-talks-minority-jeremy-a7871541.htmlNeil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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This study instinctively feels right to me. Many Leave voters were just looking for an electoral home and given that Labour's only Brexit policy seems to be not to have a policy, felt it offered the least worst scenario. To an extent, that is still true as I still do not see a coherent Brexit policy. You could argue that if they hold their nerve, fudge the issue until March 2019 and it all goes belly up, they will be elected by default so may just work.
As an aside, love the Daily Fail's faux rage this morning about EU Border controls. Wait until Brexit and we all have to join the "all other passports" queue at Palma de Mallorca airport......nobody voted for losing crucial drinking time at a Magaluf watering hole....
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Neil, be serious, the Spanish will put bars/pubs on the air side of passport control to facility the demands of the English tourist. I can also see a festival-like beer dispensing vendor franchise being a sound investment...https://www.drinkman.net/
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph, yes no, maybe from the opposition .
Labour will try to keep the UK in the single market and customs union after Brexit, the party’s shadow Brexit Secretary has announced.Sir Keir Starmer has outlined his intention to try and derail the Government’s EU Withdrawal Bill - dubbed the Repeal Bill - by proposing an amendment to keep existing trading arrangements with the bloc during any transitional period.
His plan further confuses Labour’s Brexit policy and appears to contradict Jeremy Corbyn’s statement that under his leadership the UK would leave the single market.Sir Keir’s plan will seek to take advantage of Theresa May’s failure to win an outright majority at the general election by setting out a way forward which could win over pro-European Tory MPs.
It comes as Anna Soubry, a Conservative MP and ardent Remain campaigner, told The Telegraph that if Labour changed tack and advocated staying in the single market it could prompt the Government to move in a similar direction to ensure the opposition does not “make the running” over Brexit.That could mean ministers accepting the UK operating under a “Norway-type of arrangement” with the EU, similar to membership of the European Economic Area (EEA), during the transitional period.
Labour’s vision for Brexit has descended into chaos in recent weeks after frontbenchers advocated different positions to their leader.But comments given to The Guardian by Sir Keir suggest that the party will fight to keep the UK in the single market and customs union during a transitional period as Britain redefines its relationship with the EU after the point of Brexit in March 2019.Sir Keir said he is planning to table amendments to the Repeal Bill to "ensure it is possible to achieve transitional arrangements on the same basic terms - including the single market and the customs union".
Ms Soubry said that “jobs and businesses are now driving the shape of Brexit and that is the right thing” as she said she wanted the UK to stay in the single market and customs union during the transitional period. The former business minister said she did not know whether such a move would make it to a vote because she believed “it is just a question of time before the Labour Party comes out in favour of membership of the single market” and that could cause the Government to adopt a new position. She said: “In that event, when Labour, as I think it will, shifts its position the Government has got to be able to respond very quickly or it will find itself in a position whereby the Labour Party, the opposition, start to put it to a vote, something which at the moment they are incapable of doing.
“At that point that is when there will be people who are already saying both in and outside of Government in the Conservative Party this transition period has got to be absolutely right.”
She added: “I think the Government needs to continue what it is doing which is to lead the debate, take the initiative, accept that there is a change and accept that a transition period which is basically going to be a Norway-type of arrangement so whether it is membership of the EEA or something a little bit more bespoke, it doesn’t matter, if it conveys the economic benefits to our country and gives business the certainty that it absolutely is crying out for.”
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