Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Fully agree with this Balfour cove, there have been no real negotiations on anything let alone what happens at the Channel Ports in 18 months time. The proposed lorry park in the green belt will be subject to public enquiry and countless appeals before it can be built in so many years time.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/warning-kents-roads-heading-for-chaos-132389/howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Plenty of bluster from Boris but I strongly suspect he is looking for an excuse to resign so that he can distance himself from any fall out after the final leaving deal is sorted.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/19/boris-johnson-i-wont-quit-over-theresa-mays-brexit-speechButton
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Mr McS: I also agree with Mr Balfour and, if anything, the French ports will be in a worse situation than we will be - the UK could come up with unilateral whizzo wheezes, whereas the French will be governed by what the Union Customs Code stipulates, customs being predominantly an EU competence, and not (contrary to what some UK parliamentarians say) a national one. The source document being quoted is here:
http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/treasury-committee/hmrc-annual-report-and-accounts/oral/70147.html and you will see the point being made that there are no 'life after Brexit' negotiations going on at the moment because they're still at the 'divorce' stage.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Well thought out article followed by some excellent comments. We have a Civil Service that are doing their best to make exiting the EU as difficult as possible which they couldn't do if the Government was united in what they want as a deal. The last General Election showed that the public were more interested in other things, the Referendum is in the past and the result now generally accepted.
People now just want things in general to run smoothly which means there could be a massive shock to the system in March 2019 unless headway is made in negotiations pretty swiftly. It does look like Charlie is one of only a few that are taking the situation seriously.
Button- Location: Dover
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Not a bad article although it didn't justify its criticism of civil servants - they're not generally supposed to make policy, after all - see the link in post 914.
The answer to the question 'will Dover port have enough space for customs clearance' is, assuming we are talking of the Felixstowe/Southampton traditional maritime model: no. As the article seems (to me) to imply, it matters not one jot whether the UK is in a Customs Union, or a Free Trade or a privileged access to the Single Market deal with the EU, or has no deal at all, the default effect on Dover (customs clearance that doesn't apply at present) is the same and the answer is still: no.
That is why option 1 of the UK government position paper on post-Brexit customs (see post 795) is aimed at having customs clearance take place away from Dover and, equally, away from Calais - by re-joining the Common Transit Convention (which is NOT an EU institution).
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Not sure if this has been posted before (if it has, I apologise), but I found this Institute for Government paper on customs and Brexit interesting (even if by no means perfect):
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/IfG_Brexit_customs_WEB_0.pdf
I quite like the phrase "A canyon, not a cliff edge".
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I'm not a natural fan of Mr Elphicke, but I have to applaud his tweet concerning the priorities of the National Infrastructure Commission - well said, Sir! Brexit is after all, probably the biggest post-war national project.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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more like a 3 ring circus
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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At the start of this process, I felt that Charlie was being a little naive with his empty rhetorical statements and endless ability to switch horse depending on who was winning. Indeed, the way he would bang out about Brexit, one could be forgiven for forgetting for voted against it.
However, more recently he has made some very thoughtful and useful interventions, raising the very practical concerns that he, as an MP for Dover, really should be making given Dover will feel the fallout more than most. Of course, if the whole thing is a scheisse show, and Dover suffers, his hitherto comfortable time at the ballot box may come to an ubrupt end
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There seems to be general approval here over the two year transitional period but my fear is that come 2021 there will still be a last minute panic over freight movements in the Channel. We still don't know whether the EU negotiators will agree about the 2 year thing yet.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/florence-speech-theresa-may-brexit-eu-single-market-access-uk-prime-minister-economy-eurozone-a7961531.htmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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it baffles me that the Conservative government, thinks its core vote will still turn out 2022 to support a government that has stabbed them in the back over open borders for 5 years after the referendum and given away billions?
I think labour has it in the bag 2022.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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the man has a point though,the way things are going.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,798
As a Brexit voter there has to be a compromise between the intransigent EU and ourselves, if I have understood the PM's statement correctly this seems quite a good one.
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John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
Says the man (Heseltine) that actually lost out to Major in 1990 which proves how useless he is.
About time he was put down, along with Clarke, who will never accept or believe the fact that the penny has finally dropped with the electorate regarding the shenanigans of the EU.
Hell would have to freeze over before we rejoined that corrupt and disfunctional organisation.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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so you say john.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I paid good money back in 1991 to hear Mr Heseltine speak at a Conservative Club event expecting a rousing performance. What a disappointment he was even by the rubber chicken circuit standards of the time. One chap from the audience shouted "people go on about the 3 million unemployed but what about the 80 million in work?" Another one asked him what he was going to do about all the "wogs" living here. The reply was along the lines of "I understand your concern" - this is despite the fact that about a third of the gathering were Asian businesspersons.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I just love that those Brexiteers who were previously outraged by a "transition period" are now perfectly sanguine with an "implementation phase". In other words, a great job by the Tory machine to get everybody on message, let's see how long it lasts.....
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