Button
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The bonus is, Mr Farage could stand as a UK MP and stop being a South East England MEP - I'm guessing he's currently paid to represent Dover's interests?
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Weird Granny Slater
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Theatre of the Absurd? Opera Comique? Vaudeville? Farce, I think. Brian Rix would be proud. Caught with their pants down. Again.
As for Farage, more fairground donkey than Trojan Horse in the EU bastion.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#933 You jest, but it did a decent job with the Education and then Home Secretary for a good few years back in the 90s and 00s!
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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You can see Barnier's point, all he is really asking is that we take the negotiations in a logical and chronological step. 'We' are like the child who wants to have their dessert before their dinner.
We have accepted that we are prepared to meet our obligations; it should not be too hard to say how and when we plan to do that. I somehow think it is right that the Tories end up in a complete mess over this, having gone down this road for entirely self serving reasons. At least UKIP genuinely believe in leaving the EU, regardless of whether you think they are right or wrong.
Button- Location: Dover
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Mr M: I see your argument but I'm not sure I fully agree with it. It is possible to argue, for example (though I'm not saying I do), that the Conservatives were the only party with the bottle to put EU membership to the electorate (as opposed to MPs) to vote on, and that each of the in/out views had cross-party support.
The snag is, especially with the future trading relationship yet to be negotiated, an imploded Tory party just throws up the question of what the hell is the alternative and which relationship would it seek to negotiate?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Bit of a chicken and egg situation where both sides want some guarantees before proceeding further. Our negotiators cannot be expected to underwrite 40 or 50 billion quid without getting something set in stone in return, Barnier must know this and is just trying to exert pressure knowing that the UK side is full of people wanting different things.
Reginald Barrington
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The choice of puddings dictates my preceding course you know; soup if a rich chocolaty one because the mackerel would throw the balance of the meal off!
Seriously though who would agree to their salary before they find out what the job is, the negotiations have to go on concurrently it would be foolhardy in the extreme not to.
Arte et Marte
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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For your general edification:-
The reality of British geopolitical capability means Britain is poised to thrive post-Brexit
Is Britain in decline? Following the EU referendum, you could be forgiven for thinking so. Commentators seem gripped by the idea that the country is heading towards national decline.
This is simply not the case. New research from The Henry Jackson Society clearly demonstrates that the UK is well positioned to thrive post-Brexit.
“Towards a ‘Global Britain’: Challenging the new narratives of national decline” takes aim at declinist narratives. The report sets out why the U.K. has strengths across a range of areas that will empower it in the years ahead, including in its economy, military and culture.
The report builds on the findings from ‘An Audit of Geopolitical Capability’, also released today, which shows the U.K. was second only to the United States in geopolitical power.
Towards “Global Britain”: Challenging the New Narratives of National Decline:-
http://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Towards-Global-Britain.pdf
An Audit of Geopolitical Capability, Comparison of Eight Major Powers:-
http://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/An-audit-of-geopolitical-capability.pdf"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Button- Location: Dover
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And we only let the U.S. become leader in the geopolitical power stakes because it was only right that someone else should have a turn!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Norway and Sweden seem to have mostly mastered the challenge of moving goods efficiently between EU and EEA countries.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41412561Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Whereas the Donald seems to have screwed up anything approaching free-trade across the Canadian border with a knock-on to 4000 Northern Irish jobs:-
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boeing-bombardier-us-canada-hall-1.4310027"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Button- Location: Dover
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Mr McS: take another look - 8 minutes on average, inevitably more if you want clearance there. And that's without the inbound pulse effect of c.200 lorries arriving at once, with another ferry-load up your rear end!
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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button, went over 4 weeks ago as a car passenger,came back through calias took the best part of an hour to get through two passport checks,and that's another 30 minuits to get through check in.and that's before we leave.
Button- Location: Dover
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And that's with traffic trickle-feeding into (people) controls pre-embarkation, not dollops of traffic hitting controls after discharge! Plus when you have 2 or more sets of controls in quick succession, they process traffic at the rate of the slowest.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Everything you need to know about thriving after we leave the EU, all in one document.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent-business/brexit-proof-business/Button- Location: Dover
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Not a bad article - in a sense it's 'business as usual' in that there are always dynamic downside risks and upside opportunities; the trick is to spot them early. Pleased to see mentions of AEO status and the possible lack of "agricultural" export subsidies (on whisky, for example). Slightly surprised not to see mention of: future EU "agricultural" subsidies on what will become their exports to us, the cash-flow impact of 20% VAT on what will become imports from the EU, and the cost of Customs declarations on the same - for that matter, someone will have to pay for UK export and EU import declarations on goods going the other way.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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That is how it should be Buttock, good businesses adapt to any political changes unless they rely on dirt cheap labour of course. Surprised that they didn't ask any farmers/growers as they are the most concerned group but all the Government has to bring back the scheme that gave short term visas for people, mostly from Eastern Europe, to work in the fields.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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#941 We let the US be leader because they had saved Europe. Twice.
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
