howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Bob and Buttock
If we remain in the current Customs Union we cannot negotiate trade deals with other countries.
Should we leave then negotiate a bespoke deal where we can trade freely then the EU would have to agree due to the balance of trade between us and other member states. The alternative is to clog up channel ports and the environs.
Finally I don't see a need for all those nasty forms if the above is implemented, I don't think Keir Starmer has thought that far ahead in thinking we could not do separate trade deals.
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Captain Haddock
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon
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divorse is give and take, you cant have your cake and eat it.
John Buckley
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Brian Dixon wrote:divorse is give and take, you cant have your cake and eat it.
You can if you employ a half decent legal team Brian!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We should just walk away without paying a penny to them the UK done their share in war time helping them over there.
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Button
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Given posts 1550 ("...more important is to agree a form of ...Mutual Recognition...") and 1560 ("We should just walk away..."), I'm about to pop out to dig for victory and see if I can rustle-up a sheep or two, just to be on the safe side.
It's either that or pay DDC more Council Tax for extra Port Health officers at Dover and Cheriton. The (Conservative-chaired) Environment Select Committee has also been scratching its head over food traffic across the Dover Straits - see para.92 et seq (and especially 107-8) of
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmenvfru/348/348.pdf(Not my real name.)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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to be honest I am looking forward to having the A20 as a lorry park, thinking of getting a burger van, open 24/7 of course.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Be careful which logistics company you pick to deliver your burgers!
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(Not my real name.)
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ok it wont be kfc's one for sure, will have to send the old dear down to icelands to get a home delivery.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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It seems that Labour have chosen not to take my advice and instead are sticking with the current Customs Union however much they try to say that it will be a different one. I suppose their logic is that the way things are heading freight will come almost to a standstill with food rotting and vital medicines and goods required to keep factories going stuck on a road somewhere and they can say that it wouldn't have happened if we were in the Customs Union.
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Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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And to sum up the fiasco....let’s have a sing song :-
Or...
perhaps we should just whistle in the dark.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/whistle-in-the-dark.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
Just about sums things up:
Davis is at the golf club returning his locker key when Mr Barnier the membership secretary sees him.
"Hello Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier. "I'm sorry to hear you are no longer renewing your club membership, if you would like to come to my office we can settle your account".
"I have settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis..
"Ah yes Mr Davis", says Mr Barnier, "but there are other matters that need settlement"
In Mr Barniers office Mr Davis explains that he has settled his bar bill so wonders what else he can possibly owe the Golf Club? "Well Mr Davis" begins Mr Barnier, "you did agree to buy one of our Club Jackets".
"Yes" agrees Mr Davis "I did agree to buy a jacket but I haven't received it yet". "As soon as you supply the jacket I will send you a cheque for the full amount".
"That will not be possible" explains Mr Barnier. "As you are no longer a club member you will not be entitled to buy one of our jackets"!
"But you still want me to pay for it" exclaims Mr Davis.
"Yes" says Mr Barnier, "That will be £500 for the jacket. "There is also your bar bill".
"But I've already settled my bar bill" says Mr Davis.
"Yes" says Mr Barnier, "but as you can appreciate, we need to place our orders from the Brewery in advance to ensure our bar is properly stocked".. "You regularly used to spend at least £50 a week in the bar so we have placed orders with the brewery accordingly for the coming year". "You therefore owe us £2600 for the year"..
"Will you still allow me to have these drinks?" asks Mr Davis. "No of course not Mr Davis". "You are no longer a club member!" says Mr Barnier.
"Next is your restaurant bill" continues Mr Barnier. "In the same manner we have to make arrangements in advance with our catering suppliers". "Your average restaurant bill was in the order of £300 a month, so we'll require payment of £3600 for the next year".
"I don't suppose you'll be letting me have these meals either" asks Mr Davis.
"No, of course not" says an irritated Mr Barnier, "you are no longer a club member!"
"Then of course" Mr Barnier continues, "there are repairs to the clubhouse roof".
"Clubhouse roof" exclaims Mr Davis, "What's that got to do with me?"
"Well it still needs to be repaired and the builders are coming in next week", your share of the bill is £2000".
"I see" says Mr Davis, "anything else?".
"Now you mention it" says Mr Barnier, "there is Fred the Barman's pension". "We would like you to pay £5 a week towards Fred's pension when he retires next month". "He's not well you know so I doubt we'll need to ask you for payment for longer than about five years, so £1300 should do it". "This brings your total bill to £10,000" says Mr Barnier.
"Let me get this straight" says Mr Davis, "you want me to pay £500 for a jacket you won't let me have, £2600 for beverages you won't let me drink and £3600 for food you won't let me eat, all under a roof I won't be allowed under and not served by a bloke who's going to retire next month!"
"Yes, it's all perfectly clear and quite reasonable" says Mr Barnier.
"Pxxs off!" says Mr Davis
Now we understand what Brexit is all about.
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Unfortunately, it’s not going to happen Reginald......Mr Davis would probably have thought it too cheap and upped the ante!
The modern comedians all seem to have got into top jobs in Parliament when they are more fitted to the Palladium.
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Ross Miller
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If I didnt know better I would presume that our Brexit negotiators didn't have a clue what they want and had no coherent plan, but of course that couldn't possibly be the case, could it?
Whilst I could understand on the day of the Brexit result the Leave crowd didn't have a plan or list of demands, there was an almost 9 month hiatus before Article 50 was triggered in which surely the government were beavering away drawing up a plan and list of demands/requirements/offers.
Or clearly not...
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The two main parties have the problem of their supporters being fairly split on the EU issue unlike the smaller parties who are united but don't have a say.
The PM did take 9 months to do anything as she was always in favour of remaining in the EU and hoped passions would die down over time. The chap she appointed to oversee things is out of his depth and everyone that has worked with him says that when faced with something complicated simply passes it on to a colleague to sort out.
One thing I agree with Barnier on is his assertion that "Brexit" is more about a Tory infight than anything else.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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jeremy had to give the Blair MPs some glue ,,whilst momentum rips them a second asshole
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The "Packet of crisps" analogy is going to be a defining moment, isn't it.....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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I was thinking Neil assumed we are all psychic like remoaners who seem to be able to predict the future!
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