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This current government are doing a lot more than rogering a cruton, they're rogering the whole damn country by pushing ideology above pragmatism. Now let me go a find my compendium of A.C. Grayling quotes. They'll make me sound clever.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I have to be honest and admit I had never heard of this Scrotum chap until today.
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I have to be honest and admit I had never heard of this Scrotum chap until today.
Scrotum's the comic genius of conservatism. If you've a spare £2500, try attending one of these jokefests:
https://rogerscruton.com/articles/486-scrutopia-summer-school-2018
What larks! You'll return well-Rogered in the principles of Scrutopian comedy and roaring with humorous philosophical bons mots.
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Captain Haddock
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Meanwhile, settling back on a chesterfield sofa at the
£18,000-a-year New College of the Humanities, Anthony Grayling, the college’s master, reflects on a tumultuous three years.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/campus-close-up-new-college-of-the-humanities/2019881.article
I wonder if his mate Jezza is going to make this 'free' of tuition fees?
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I never realised that KFC was that popular..
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The Customs Union, in particular, feels like a bit of an elephant trap for Labour. Could it be that the PM really wants us to stay in the CU, but is in no position to suggest that given the state of the Tory party.
However, if Labour were to come out in favour of remaining in the CU, she could say that there is no longer a Commons majority for leaving the CU and so very reluctantly, in the spirit of cross party consensus, she is proposing that we stay in the CU. Such an approach would spread the 'blame' so far and wide, it would be impossible to pin it on anyone....and most significantly, it sorts out the Ireland issue.
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I don't think the Greeks (EU) and Turks (non-EU but in a CU with it) would agree with you, Mr M! Still a "hard" border, still a Customs declaration for each consignment.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Back to square one yet again, the Chancellor made it clear that the Danegeld would be paid irrespective of any trade deal, now we have this. Expect more huffing and puffing over this issue leaving the prospects for economic disaster more likely as time runs out.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-divorce-bill-eu-withhold-david-davis-theresa-may-vienna-speech-secret-a8219706.htmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times.
Britain will ask the European Union to extend the Brexit transition period beyond 2020 with a “duration determined by how long it will take to prepare and implement the future partnership”.
The request for an effectively open-ended transition period will anger Conservative Eurosceptics who have described the arrangements as reducing Britain to a “vassal state”. A draft government negotiating document seen by The Times nudges the government into a transition lasting longer than two years, during which time Britain will have to abide by all EU rules, including free movement, without any say in decisions. “The UK believes the period’s duration should be determined simply by how long it will to prepare and implement the new processes and new systems that will underpin the future partnership,” the draft text said. “The UK agrees this points to a period of around two years but wishes to discuss with EU the assessment that supports its proposed end date.”
Official publication today was delayed by at least three hours as internal government talks continued.
The EU’s proposed transition lasts 21 months after Brexit, until 31 December, 2020, and most diplomats, including British officials, believe the period needs to be longer, with many suggesting that a regulatory “standstill” bridging period will need to be three to five years long. A British government source insisted that the request “could equally well apply to shortening transition” but most officials involved in the talks believe implementing a future trade agreement will take at least five years. The government is additionally asking for a “mutual good faith” pact to ensure that EU legislation agreed during an extended transition can not be deliberately designed to damage British interests such as the City of London.
The British proposal would create a “joint committee . . . protecting the rights and interest of both parties”, a demand that will worry European governments that are concerned that the transition could become a semi-permanent relationship. Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP for North East Somerset and chairman of the influential European Research Group (ERG) of backbenchers, said: “This seems to contradict David Davis’s line to the DExEU Committee when he indicated that only minor technical issues would not be agreed by 29th March, 2019.”
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Rather a mixed picture here with some EU nationals leaving and less new ones arriving but nett migration still high with more from outside the EU arriving.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-immigration-latest-brexit-eu-migrants-workers-talks-statistics-falling-a8222736.htmlCaptain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The accuracy of some of these figures leaves a little to be desired relying on ONS for a passenger survey. One figure which is 100% accurate is for the number of NI numbers issued.
A total of 497,000 National Insurance Numbers were issued to adult EU nationals in the year ending December 2017.
Even if we take the Govt immigration figures at face value this means marginally fewer than 1/4 million extra people in the United Kingdom over a year.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Should be great day, no doubt Brian will be there.
Brian Dixon
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I need a large loan or a crowed funding page to get a train ticket and two nights in the savoy hotel. so I wont be going.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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EmilyThornberry on LBC: We can't be in *the* Customs Union.... so we leave and negotiate a new agreement that is likely to be *a* Customs Union that will look pretty much like *the current* Customs Union.
Stone me, so all that referendum malarkey was to choose between a definite and an indefinite article?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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lets see how it pans out over the next couple of weeks shell we.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of The Times
citizens who arrive in Britain during the post-Brexit transition period will be allowed to stay permanently under a U-turn planned by Theresa May. Three weeks ago the prime minister caused surprise by saying that those arriving after March 29 next year should not have the same rights as those who came before. The Times has learnt that Downing Street is now examining proposals to make a unilateral promise to EU citizens that they can remain if they arrive before the end of the transition period. Such a period was due to last until the end of 2020 but this week the government was accused of preparing the ground for an open-ended transition.
Mrs May’s potential change of approach is designed to placate Brussels to ensure that she seals a swift transition deal. It could leave Britons living on the Continent with fewer rights than EU citizens in the UK as there is no guarantee that Brussels will offer the same terms. Previously Britain has insisted on acting in step with the bloc on citizens’ rights. Last night senior ministers from the cabinet’s Brexit committee were in an eight-hour meeting at Chequers, Mrs May’s retreat in Buckinghamshire, to hammer out the government’s position on the future relationship with the EU. They had an afternoon of presentations and discussions, after which they were joined by British ambassadors to inform the decision-making.
Brussels has made clear that preventing EU citizens who arrive after March next year from staying indefinitely would breach free-movement rules, jeopardising any transition deal.
Brexiteers will be angered at a move to allow EU citizens to arrive freely. Net migration figures revealed yesterday that 90,000 people came to the UK from the bloc last year, a fall of 75,000.
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Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
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Referendum malarkey? Definite or indefinite pronoun?
Time to get real. Project fear takes another slow step on its unstoppable march to project reality.
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