Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Paul in the distant past I recall when chairing a Planning Meeting that the administration officer made it very clear that the Chairman should ensure members make it clear which way they were voting at the end of the vote you had to state what the vote was.Before the vote you had to make sure members understood what decision they were taking.
This is no reflection on the current chairman or previous.
Chairing planning is a very serious matter.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Charlie is getting flak from all directions when he and the other rebels only want Parliament to have a say on the final deal. He gets it again for abstaining rather than voting against but if he had done so it would like it was out of spite.
Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
- Posts: 148
The usual utter guff from Charlie regarding Farthingloe. Half a million pound houses for the young of Dover? Yeah, right. Jobs? Yes - limited numbers in the build phase for the suitably qualified but no real long term impact. H0ow many locals are employed at the Western Docks rejuvenation? And huge numbers of visitors expected at the Western Heights centre (sop to win over councillors) just like they were expected at the White Cliffs Experience. No doubt they will all frolic gaily down the slope into town to spend their dosh. Nothing to do with the donations from China Gateway to Tory funds at all. Here's another good planning idea - let's plan a large number of social housing builds in St.Margarets. I'm sure Charlie Chuckles would support that wholeheartedly.
Worse of all, is the demonising of CPRE who apparently are all West kent luvvies with no understanding of how hard life is here down in the downtrodden East. Once the Farthingloe Valley is gone, we will never get it back. It is a historical and beautiful part of our heritage and should not be squandered by developers with no interest in this area apart from a means of lining their own pockets. Two of the directors of CGI have passed away recently which is no cause for celebration. But hopefully they may lose some of their impetus as a result. CGI own the Farthingloe site, a significant proportion of the Western Heights and Manston. Perhaps someone should put pressure on them to demolish the old sports hall at Farthingloe and re-landscape the site to its original beauty? That won't happen becasue they are £45m in hock to the Israeli Discount bank and have to monetise their assets to survive. Altruism doesn't enter into the moral compass. It does with the CPRE.
Oh and finally we learn that the reasons for the Supreme Court rejection of DDC's appeal is down to poor minute taking. Wel f**k me. That's explains it all then. It's arguable at best, but if it is so, then it is only symptomatic of of poor local government.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I couldn't work out why Charlie has/had such an intense dislike of the CPRE that have done so much to protect our countryside from over development. The Supreme Court's final decision begs the question of what will happen now on the land owned by China Gateway.
Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
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I would hope that DDC might intervene with some genuine plans to preserve our heritage but I'm not holding my breath. I certainly intend to raise the issue of the costs incurred so far with my local councillor.
CGI went into this project with £s in their eyes, banking upon a pliant local government and MP. That they now have received a potential financial bloody nose concerns me not one jot.
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,989
Thus spake CE: 'Everyone knows we need to build more homes. It is the only way we can truly ensure the dream of owning your own home is kept alive for young people....'
Heaven help us if public policy is based on something as transient as 'the dreams of young people'.
Thus spake CE: 'Of course, we all want to protect our beautiful countryside...'
Then he should applaud the Supreme Court's decision.
Thus spake CE: 'From their comfortable homes in leafy West Kent, they think they know what’s best for Dover and Deal...'
How's St Margaret's nowadays? Nice and leafy? Surely room on the cliffs there for a few Barratt homes.
Thus spake CE: 'We must put the future of Dover and our young people ahead of unelected, anti-democratic campaign groups...'
Naughty Chartists, naughty Suffragettes etc.
Thus spake CE: 'We need to face down the voices of the past who have let our country down time and time again.'
An astute piece of self-analysis here. But he really shouldn't take all the responsibility: others in his Party are to blame, too. What's that? He doesn't have a Party?
Tendentious nonsense. Zarathustra he ain't.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Still no news on what Charlie has been accused of, If it was anything serious surely the Police would have been in touch by now?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,790
Charlie's latest bit of waffle, I wonder how many businesses in Dover Charlie has supported this Christmas or even throughout the last year.....
"Backing our businesses in Dover and Deal
Dear Jan,
Small businesses are the lifeblood of our nation. They are the job creators. We must do everything we can to support them – especially in places like Dover and Deal.
The truth is that too often Britain has worked for the big cities and big corporations – while firms in the regions get overlooked. People here in Dover and Deal know how hard we have to fight for every single penny of investment. As we leave the European Union, we need to build a nation that works better for our historic regions and districts. We need a Britain that works for places like Dover and Deal.
It’s been a real battle – yet since 2010 we have been doing everything we can to bring more investment to our corner of Kent, to boost jobs and to help local business. And we really have come a long way. We’ve secured £400 million of investment in our area. The number of people claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance has halved – and more than 4,000 apprenticeships have been created.
What’s more, the number of new businesses opening in Dover and Deal has nearly doubled since 2010. Figures published by the Office for National Statistics show 465 new businesses opened in Dover district last year, compared to 260 in 2010. And the numbers continue to grow, with a 17.7% rise in 2016 on the previous year. That’s twice the UK average.
Meanwhile, 91% of these new businesses are still operating after at least a year, compared to 89.7% nationally. And the total number of active enterprises in Dover district is up 5.2% in the last year and 15% since 2010.
These numbers show the courage and hard work of the people of Dover and Deal in recent years. It takes real guts to set up a new business – with long hours and non-stop hard work essential to make it a success. People who take a risk and set up shop in our area need our full support.
I’ve been doing what I can to help. Earlier in the year I met with local business owners concerned by a rates revaluation in February. I took their views to Ministers at the Department for Communities and Local Government. Over the summer, the Department set up three new relief schemes for hundreds of businesses in Dover and Deal. And last month Dover District Council confirmed 374 businesses have benefitted so far, saving more than £200,000.
We’ve come a long way since 2010 – yet there is still much more to do. We need to ensure that the St James development helps bring money not just to the new shops and restaurants – but also to all the brilliant businesses already set up in town. We must ensure Deal continues to thrive and that firms across our corner of Kent get the support they need.
We must keep fighting to deliver the bright future we all want for Dover and Deal."
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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it's people having cash in their pockets that drive business.
screwing people on mortgage payments to feed a monopolised building sector, overcharging people for housing that are 2 thirds overpriced, and employing people that send most of their wages out of the UK, only dampens business in the greater economy.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Mr Bibby, paragraph one of #89 I'm with you 100%. Paragraph 2, whilst I broadly agree, it is the non-doms and multi-millionaires that send their money into tax havens that are responsible for shafting the economy and extending the pointless exercise of austerity.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,892
Now what is the
real driver behind the housing shortage? Nothing to do with the extra 300,000 joining us each year?
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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The same could probably go a long way towards the NHS problems.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The Bishop wrote:Mr Bibby, paragraph one of #89 I'm with you 100%. Paragraph 2, whilst I broadly agree, it is the non-doms and multi-millionaires that send their money into tax havens that are responsible for shafting the economy and extending the pointless exercise of austerity.
I agree Mr Bishop, lots of cash being syphoned off by the rich legally.
But it still doesn't alter the facts that flooding the UK with cheap EU Labour sending it all home accomplish the same result
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Keith Bibby wrote:But it still doesn't alter the facts that flooding the UK with cheap EU Labour sending it all home accomplish the same result
Any figures for this economic assertion, KB? I'd imagine that if such labour were that 'cheap' then there wouldn't be much money left to 'send home' in the first place.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:Any figures for this economic assertion, KB? I'd imagine that if such labour were that 'cheap' then there wouldn't be much money left to 'send home' in the first place.
Spare money is always available if you live like sardines and share the rent or alternatively sub let which was very popular in Clarendon Place until a few years back.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Quick cure to the need for immigration: invest in training UK nations in medicine, nursing, dentistry, construction, crop harvesting etc. Isn't that what government should do?
We cannot be self-sufficient without having the skilled workforce.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,226
Crop harvesting : skilled ? Do you have evidence for this your right revd?
Arte et Marte
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:Any figures for this economic assertion, KB? I'd imagine that if such labour were that 'cheap' then there wouldn't be much money left to 'send home' in the first place.
the contract I am working on at the moment involves British electricians and plumbers only, all other workers are from Moldova except the scum employing them all to undercut other British companies.
the monthly wage in Moldova £120 a month.
they will be going back to Moldova rich on £47 a day if they get the work.
one day I see 12 men roll up in a minivan, the boss only needed 4 that day, so the rest sat in the van, ALL DAY.
this is the working condition we have celebrated importing into the UK labour market.
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Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
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Moldova is not in the EU but has its own trade agreement. Are you saying that they are working legally or illegally?
