Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Arthur wrote:You’ll be passing the hat around for him next! Forgive me if I don’t join you in making a contribution. Because others don’t get caught doesn’t make his offence any less serious. I can’t believe people are seeking to defend him.
I am not defending him or providing any excuses for him just clarifying Pablo's point but without any of your obvious hatred towards the man.
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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I don’t hate the man, I’ve never met him, but I do hate what he has done. Totally different things.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Pablo wrote:As far as the powers-that-be are concerned, Charlie’s main crime was to crusade against the big companies which avoid paying their fair share of tax, who are (by sheer coincidence-ha!) the main financial donors to the Tory party. There are many other alleged gropers and kiddie-fiddlers in Parliament who have escaped prosecution because they have not attempted to undermine the Party.
Charlie was a Cameron man. He was heavily behind him and Osborne (hence his slavish support for China Gateway over Farthingloe) and was elevated to the whips office at Cameron's request. May, who presided over the 'loss' of government files on child sexual abuse in Westminster, dropped him like a hot brick when the allegations first arose. That was until, of course, she need his vote to rebuff a vote of no confidence.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Yes T May and bringing him back purely for that vote
Was a disgrace.
But the predator is serving his sentence
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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They say that all politicians' careers end in failure, Charlie proving the old adage true.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I'm sure he will bounce back with a party such as his
Trouble is Neil your party is hell bent on expelling anyone who dares to mention Corbyn
And the selections of candidates imposed on many areas going against wishes of local members is going to damage labour .
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,892
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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Captain you beat me to it! Was just about to post this article.
It needs no comment- shameful.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Sad reading for the people of Dover. It reflects awfully on the morally invertebrate Natalie too. Almost viral on social media today.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Is it any surprize these are the tactics of the predator?
Next general election selection of candidate will be interesting .
But that goes for all parties .
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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Sadly the electorate have short memories. We need some candidates who genuinely care about the area and not about political ambitions.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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How long will it take before the electorate realise that self-preservation has been the dominant factor in local politics for the last few years?
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,226
"for the last few years?"
You've only arrived in the country recently i gather?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Reginald Barrington wrote:"for the last few years?"
You've only arrived in the country recently i gather?
I really don't understand the point you're trying to make, if there ever was one. The context of this thread is Charlie Elphicke's demise and the emergence of his estranged, vaccilating wife as his political successor. That has happened over the last few years and the local Tory party has hardly covered itself in glory in managing the situation.
That's my point.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone wrote:How long will it take before the electorate realise that self-preservation has been the dominant factor in local politics for the last few years?
So why did you post this? This post is relevant to local politics for the entirety of my lifetime and I'm fairly sure yours.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Of course, Reggie. We've always had local politicians immersed in scandal and succeeded by their spouses. Articles like this were commonplace
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Thanks for showing the article Ray.
Most politicians regardless of party for as long as I can remember have always put self preservation to the front, it is just more visible now to all of us because of our access to the internet..... As illustrated above by Ray.
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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The point The Times was making was that the newspaper was being gagged from printing information that the public had a right to know because people with bottomless pockets we’re preventing publication.
£500,000 is a lot of money and it’s only very recently that the libel case was dropped.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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The times also says this:
"The court did not hear the evidence and he maintains the articles are untrue"
Which makes it impossible for the public to know the truth. How many times has our press comtitted libel and not been held to account because of those very high costs.
As to the rape accusation I would still like to hear why the police never told Charlie about the allegation when he was first arrested and why the case was not taken up, is a trial still in the offing?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Like everyone else, I have absolutely no idea whether the rape allegations are groundless or not.
I just find it so sad for this town to be associated with this scandal. The local party (IMHO) made a huge mistake by parachuting in Natalie when Charlie's fate became unavoidable. One moment she was effusive in her support for him, the next she was filing for divorce and taking money from the tabloids for her story.
I can honestly find nothing to recommend her performance as an MP. She is the whip's office's lobby fodder. When challenged about Cumming's ludicrous garden performance, she came out in his support. A few weeks later, when Laughing Boy gave Cummings the boot, she made a 180 turn and publicly supported the decision. She vacillates between the prevailing central office whims.
Not that long ago, if you Googled Dover news, our cocaine sniffing mayor (allegedly) came high in the rankings. Now it an ex-MP spending vast sums on dodgy lawyers and a current MP making herself look foolish in front of a bunch of protestors.
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