ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:Can I ask what is the point being made about Boris Johnson now being referred to on here as de Pheffel?
Is it simply because he is from a posh background resulting in some kind of inverted snobbery or jealousy?
Quite why anyone would want to christen their son de Pfeffel is beyond me. Then again I struggle to understand why someone would deem it fit to break their wife's nose.
Weird Granny Slater
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ray hutstone wrote:Crikey. I thought you'd flounced out. Have a happy lockdown and don't forget your face mask.
You flounce if you want to. This granny's not for flouncing.
Hope you're feeling virtuous today:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8914373/Police-ARREST-qualified-nurse-trying-97-year-old-mother-care-home'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1
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I have no beef as ray calls it with any party.
I have been as critical with Boris as I have labour.
Boris hasnt handled the crisis well , but I'm not convinced labour would have done any better.
The internal strife in the National labour party as I say will be enough to lose votes across the country .
The formation of a workers party will only take votes off labour which we will see across the country.
Now you could say the lefts new party won't make any difference , but what was clear is , middle England , when labour moves to the right as it is now,
The foot sloggers are not there .
Like them or not , the left get out on the door steps .
More and more political parties rely on phone canvassing , another mistake .
As I have said before .
Bungling Boris will lose some seats , but the blue rinse Tories tend to go out even if they have no idea of the candidate or party.
I tested this out once at a polling station as a political teller , I asked the Tory with me who her candidate was, this lady had no idea , she was just a traditional Tory voter!
But labour as I have said before , has to win the Norf
Seats back, Scotland, Wales.
Most looking very bleak.
With Boris so unpopular , and Tories all over the place , labour should be looking a govt in waiting , instead they look very disjointed , and divided
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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I may be in the minority on here but I do find someone who is prepared to speak the truth and offer a measured judgment without hyperbole quite charismatic. It contrasts so vividly with the alternative. Comparisons with China, Germany etc are just too stupid to merit response. When the guy is up against some described thus, well, I'll settle for the charisma (or lack of it) any day.
“This lack of moral conviction is not a secret. Rather than fooling everyone, he has in a sense never fooled anyone. Siblings, parents, teachers, bosses, subordinates, colleagues and friends have always seen through him. His housemaster at Eton wrote about the teenage Johnson’s “gross failure of responsibility” and his sense that he was “an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else”. His first Editor at The Times fired him thirty years ago for lying. His next editor at the Daily Telegraph called him “a morally bankrupt cavorting charlatan, rooted in a contempt for the truth”...”
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We have a very good and a caring person as a pm at this time,,but there should not be any name calling even if you desagree with him. We as a forum have seen that with our own members and it not nice for person who is at the end of it.Thank you
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:The formation of a workers party...
...the lefts new party...
What is this, KS? Do you mean Galloway's Workers Party? If so, that's not exactly new, and though Galloway has more, er, 'charisma' in his left nostril than Sir Keir will ever have, and can actually argue a case with some eloquence and force, his Stalinist bent would hardly go down well enough to make his party more than a fringe offering.
Mind you, with people seemingly craving ever more state control over their lives and a 'great leader' to tuck them up in their beds at night, maybe his time has come.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Vic Matcham wrote:We have a very good and a caring person as a pm at this time,,but there should not be any name calling even if you desagree with him. We as a forum have seen that with our own members and it not nice for person who is at the end of it.Thank you
Oh please get real. I was simply quoting from someone who knows him considerably better than you do. I'm as much a member of this forum as anyone else and I really don't need any lectures as to the rules. Complain to the moderators if you're that offended. Pathetic. Oh and by the way, how's your prediction about the other lying fantasist Trump doing?
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone wrote:“This lack of moral conviction is not a secret. Rather than fooling everyone, he has in a sense never fooled anyone. Siblings, parents, teachers, bosses, subordinates, colleagues and friends have always seen through him... “a morally bankrupt cavorting charlatan, rooted in a contempt for the truth”...”
All this is, of course, very true, and obvious to anyone with even a rudimentary grasp of character. Those who failed to read de Pfeffel despite the trail of evidence scattered behind him must either be very shallow indeed, or ideologically committed no matter what.
But, seeing as this is a Labour thread, shouldn't we mention one of Starmer's own little 'secrets'? Like, e.g., that he was, in the 80s, a Pabloite, i.e. a member of a small Trotskyist grouping within the International Revolutionary Marxist Tendency which followed the teachings of Michalis N. Raptis, aka Michel Raptis, aka Michel Pablo.
You can read one of the revolutionary Sir Keir's pieces in
Socialist Alternatives, covering the Wapping strike, here; then, when you get the taste for more, you can move on to Pablo himself and 'creative marxism':
https://britishpabloism.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/socialist-alternatives-v1-no1-july-august-1986.pdf
So what, you say? We're all hard left revolutionaries when we're young. We grow out of it, start families and get responsible jobs like leader of the 'opposition'. True enough. Only Sir Keir recently claimed he hasn't really changed.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Weird
No
There is a number of lefts ex militant
Organising for an alternative party
They will stand in a number of seats taking votes away from labour .
They are made up of. Left wingers
Independents just had enough of politics
Others who can see labour drifting to the right.
Sad I won't see another labour govt in my lifetime
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr HUd stone got out of the wrong side of bed
Like yourself only giving my point views. But all the best anyway.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:There is a number of lefts ex militant
Organising for an alternative party
They will stand in a number of seats taking votes away from labour...
...Sad I won't see another labour govt in my lifetime
I doubt any new party from the authoritarian Left will take enough votes off authoritarian Labour to make a difference. What would be the point, anyway? A party that might is one that threatens to end FPTP and the two-party dictatorship. If Farage can get his act together, his Reform UK might make a difference, as both of these old elephants in musth will come out of this debacle covered in their own mess.
You've got a New Labour government anyway, KS, just minus the Remainer bit.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Weird we will see after next general election who's correct
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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There's this, a union man's critical appraisal of Labour's direction, in which Sir Keir's gang appear as now 'almost exclusively for the managerial and professional classes, graduates, social activists and urban liberals'...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8973859/amp/PAUL-EMBERY-Labour-never-win-power-stops-hating-working-class
And there's this, which rather proves his point (and also evidences the appalling negligence of English grammar in our education system)...
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Button
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:And there's this, which rather proves his point (and also evidences the appalling negligence of English grammar in our education system)...
Fits rather well with the idea of reincarnation, wouldn't you say?
(Not my real name.)
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Are souls everywhere?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The thing I find amazing is local labour and Brian feel everyone is going to switch votes to labour.
With heads in the sand they miss the party is tearing itself apart .
Ok, they have decided they don't want to entertain anyone with an alternative view .
I think that will backfire on them .
In the days of Kinnock and Blair they had a very unpopular prime minister ,
This time as bad as he is people still stand with him.
I feel labour may not even come close at next general election .
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Jan Higgins
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A really staunch (some might say blinkered) Labour supporter will never vote Tory, similar for the staunch Tory supporter, it is the rest of the population who affect a General Election result.
If Boris is still PM and Starmer is still there I think Labour will have a good chance of winning the next GE as the country will be just about ready for a change.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It would help the reds if thy open it up to both men and women at the next election but still would get my vote
Brian Dixon
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keith, keep telling you that i have not got my head in the sand, its bad for your heaith and besides that us humans can breath in a burid head in sand.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Sorry I should say they will not get my vote.
