Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
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Given the context and the build-up, that was an embarrassing performance from Starmer.
Only Foot, Brown, Miliband and (marginally) Blair in his final term had a worse share of the popular vote. Nowhere in sight of Wilson in 1974; nor Callaghan in 1979; nor Kinnock in 1987 or 1992.
3.8 million less than Blair in 1997.
3.2 million less than Corbyn in 2017.
What's more, only 34% of the vote on a (very low) 60% turnout means Labour's 'unity' government is not supported by 80% of the electorate.
This (along with a good kicking for the twin zombie) is good news. The crisis of legitimacy that I've often mentioned is now so blatant that only the politically corrupt or the politically stupid can fail to see it.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:What's more, only 34% of the vote on a (very low) 60% turnout means Labour's 'unity' government is not supported by 80% of the electorate.
Quite possibly. On the other hand, the 40% who didn't vote could have been staunch Labour supporters to a man but either complacent or glued to the telly watching Homes Under The Hammer and Wimbledon. Perhaps one should say that that segment acquiesced and leave it at that.
I see that PR is doing the rounds again and might serve to highlight the illegitimacy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886pl6ldy9o. Were it not for the fact, of course, that we had a referendum on it that rejected it - but that's democracy for you.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,256
Button wrote:I see that PR is doing the rounds again and might serve to highlight the illegitimacy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886pl6ldy9o. Were it not for the fact, of course, that we had a referendum on it that rejected it - but that's democracy for you.
We had one more recently and it might be interesting (not overly) as to how that is observed over the next few years.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,870
I did not bother to use my postal vote as it was so obvious that Labour would win Dover. I would have voted if I had had two choices...... person and party.
BTW I thought the new PM gave a good statesman like speech.....Whether I can believe in him and his dreams remains to be seen.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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You didn't vote Jan so doesn't matter how he do e s.
Shame streeting held seat nearly got him out
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Logic is an uncomfortable bed-fellow, always elbowing you in the face when you're nodding off.
If those whose reason for not voting was 'it was obvious that x would win' voted 'not x' then x might not win. Obviously.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Button wrote:Perhaps one should say that that segment acquiesced and leave it at that.
Isn't this KS's 'apathy' wearing a different tie and handkerchief?
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:You didn't vote Jan so doesn't matter how he do e s.
What absolute tosh
, it most certainly matters for the country as a whole. Before you type it
, a spoiled ballot paper is just a waste of time.
Unless he makes 'care' free or a lot cheaper at my age I doubt he will seriously affect my everyday life, very different for the much younger members of my family.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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A huge majority for Starmer - he now has the ability and space to do whatever he wants in Parliament. Let's hope he uses that majority wisely.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:Isn't this KS's 'apathy' wearing a different tie and handkerchief?
Probably and worryingly so, I reckon.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Interesting comments
My point as everyone fully understands on apathy hasn't changed
All.the political parties have to find a way to engage with those that decide they are not going to vote .
It's refreshing to see the 22 year old guy e elected
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,056
N.B.
This is not a National Wealth Fund in the way this term is normally understood. Such Funds are the accumulation of government surpluses invested into relatively safe assets so the Fund grows over time. This UK Fund is financed by money borrowed by the state to invest in risky green new technology ventures, some of which will fail, others will have uncertain returns. It’s not about investing in more wind power so why the Treasury uses that illustration suggests even it does not understand what it’s meant to do.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Labour government — specifically DPM Angela Rayner — has turned against new coal mine in Cumbria. The high-grade metallurgical coal would have been used for steel making across the UK and Europe. That coal will still be required. Now it will just have to be imported. So much for the growth agenda. Energy policy could eventually be the undoing of our new government.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Well Neil
Have they been wise ???
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Well Neil
Have they been wise ???
Too soon to tell. Not so fussed about the WFA, but am concerned about abandoning the social care (Dilnot) plan. Successive governments have put this on the too difficult pile, and we can't keep doing that. Interested to see the alternative. No own goals so far, let's say that.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I would guess the WFA would be an own goal for those who are just above the benefit line and rely on that extra money to keep warm. Never mind we all still get our Christmas £10 that probably costs more than £10 to administer.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Poor old Starmer. Despite wearing his forensic specs, he still manages a lower political IQ than Gordon Brown.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil
Although he has a big majority
The suspensions could come back to bite him in time
Any thoughts ?
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I don't think so. If it became a regular thing then maybe questions might be asked, but the leadership have successfully made the case that as this was the King's speech, you just don't vote against your own party. Put another way, we are miles off the kind of situation the Tories found themselves in, having to worry about the ERG and the like. As you say, the majority is huge.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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