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ray hutstone wrote:I remain unconvinced we will meet our obligations to impose reciprocal SPS checks in July. As for the biometric immigration checks in the autumn, well, God only knows.
What obligates us to impose 'reciprocal SPS checks'?
I did read that the timetable is:
Phase 1 – 1 July: high-risk animal-by products, all regulated plants and plant products, all meats and meat products, high-risk foods not of animal origin
Phase 2 – 1 September: dairy products
Phase 3 – 1 November: all other regulated products of animal origin including composite and fish products.
The biometric immigration checks are, of course, checks on people seeking to enter the EU.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Button wrote:What obligates us to impose 'reciprocal SPS checks'?
I did read that the timetable is:
Phase 1 – 1 July: high-risk animal-by products, all regulated plants and plant products, all meats and meat products, high-risk foods not of animal origin
Phase 2 – 1 September: dairy products
Phase 3 – 1 November: all other regulated products of animal origin including composite and fish products.
The biometric immigration checks are, of course, checks on people seeking to enter the EU.
Under WTO rules we are obliged not to differentiate between countries with which have no specific trade deals regarding such goods. Our 'oven ready' deal (in reality, pretty much an abject concession to the EU in all areas, save some manufacturing) gives the UK no specific agreements in SPS related areas. Hence the fuss over sausages entering N.Ireland. It therefore follows that, if we fail to impose such checks on EU goods, we are seen to continue to favour them compared with other countries trading under WTO restrictions. Not rocket science really.
And yes, of course, biometric checks have long been on the horizon for non-EU people seeking to enter the EU. It's just that the implementation time is looming nearer.
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ray hutstone wrote:Under WTO rules we are obliged not to differentiate between countries with which have no specific trade deals regarding such goods. It therefore follows that, if we fail to impose such checks on EU goods, we are seen to continue to favour them compared with other countries trading under WTO restrictions. Not rocket science really.
Ah, I wondered whether you were referring to WTO rules but, whilst there is indeed the 'no differentiation' principle, my understanding has been that SPS checks
can differentiate because they are required in any event to be proportionate to the risks, eg. to public health, posed by the goods and implicitly by their origin/the regime under which they were manufactured, reared, grown etc. So, grounded in (non-rocket) science, you might say.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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I'm running out of oomph here, Button. Sorry.
Many commentators think that the WTO is a broken reed which is disregarded when it suits nation states. And, by and large, they have a justifiable argument. However, it remains the only fallback for international trade that we have, when there are no other specific agreements to override it. Sovereign countries can say what they want and do what they want, which is essentially how we've go to where we are now.
However, international trade is a vital issue across the globe. Look at China and America's trials and tribulations in recent years. Europe remains the world's most successful trading block. We can do what we like until our actions start to catch up with us and other, non-EU countries, start to retaliate. Our government is fully aware of that, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about inland border facilities. The problem they have, of course, is that it contradicts all the BS that was used to justify Brexit in the first place.
Remember all those loons parading with placards saying 'we love the WTO'? This is the start of their legacy.
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"We can do what we like until our actions start to catch up with us and other, non-EU countries, start to retaliate. Our government is fully aware of that, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about inland border facilities." You've lost me, old sausage - sorry!
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Yep.
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Of course Bob pumps out the usual anti labour stuff .
But does he really think the conservatives are helping in Ukraine
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If Natalie is the candidate again then Conservative party will not be getting my vote ever again. She has completely failed the village of Guston turning out only to have her picture taken in the background of the IBF site. We fail to get proper representation from the district councillors and head of DDC/KCC as they all skip along to her tune and abide by the requirements of central Government rather than what the residents of our village are requesting and needing. She has infuriated our village. In our time of need she completely turned her back even after receiving so many requests for help by parishioners. Disgraceful. She’s after a higher position which I am sure Boris will allow. Cannot express how disappointed we are in our village with what we have had to put up with from Conservative representation. Absolutely terrible
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Her position on the need for the IBF is certainly different from that of the previous (Conservative) MP.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Well Robert ,
The next general election which will show if others follow your lead.
In past years the conservatives always turn out
It's the labour supporters that don't .
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Jan Higgins
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:
In past years the conservatives always turn out
It's the labour supporters that don't .
The supporters usually turn out regardless of party it is the floating voter who quite often does not bother unless there is a good reason.
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Mr & Mrs Elphicke both are exemplary reasons for not voting at all. They are products of a party machine. The major alternatives too. Characterless, dim, conformist, career-driven, managerial, wind-blown chaff. Any grit, any genuinely independent, awkward, unwhippable mind, now gets picked out early and thrown back in the field.
Actually, David Amess, whose appalling death many machine-fed MPs piggy-backed to virtue signal and reduce civil liberties further, was real grit and uninterested in personal aggrandisement. There are still a few left in the Conservative Party, fewer in Labour, none in the LDs. As for the SNP, Welsh Labour or Plaid, don't bother looking.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I don't agree Jan .
You are partly correct , the non vote is increasing,
But look at Mrs Elphicke at the most unpopular time for the Conservatives , and Labour thinking they would run her close .
Elphicke doubled her majority
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Although the plight of the Ukrainians is appalling, I'm not entirely sure how our useless MP is going to help, she can't speak Polish, Ukrainian or Russian, has no idea of the culture or history in that area of the world and if she can't help her constituents, how the hell is she going to help the Ukrainians?
I'd assume as she mentions it's a party of Conservative parliamentarians, it's just taking advantage of the situation to score points, shameful. Maybe she could try sponsoring a family here in the UK.......now that would be true help.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I cannot see the Conservatives replacing her .
And the major opposition as I say at looking to put the same candidate up that the MP doubled the majority on .
So not good for the future
the winners will be apathy
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I am not so sure Keith when you get life long Tory voters saying they will not vote for her if she stands again.
Natalie versus Charlotte this time unless something changes, the locally despised versus the unknown new broom, nationally unpopular bumbling Boris versus polished no policies Starmer.
The last election was all about Brexit and very little to do with who were the candidates.
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I will not be voting.
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Jan Higgins wrote:I am not so sure Keith when you get life long Tory voters saying they will not vote for her if she stands again.
Natalie versus Charlotte this time unless something changes, the locally despised versus the unknown new broom, nationally unpopular bumbling Boris versus polished no policies Starmer.
The last election was all about Brexit and very little to do with who were the candidates.
Such is the complete lack of vision between our two parties, I fear the next election will be all about Brexit too. This assumes the Tories might do something useful on cost of living crisis before then....
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To a degree Jan I agree with you , but for Naterlie even at that time not being that popular labour shoujd have romped home or at least run her close .
Instead Naterlie doubled the majority
Of course post 297 will only be doing what the electorate whenever he stood lol
Never was elected via ballot box
I hope getting closer to election we see some differences that will encourage people to vote
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