howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Vintage "Spy versus spy" courtesy of Mad Magazine.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I imagine the conversation went something like this:
Trump: "Hey, Vlad! It's Don. Listen, I have a bit of an issue over here with an ex porn model, among other things of course - nudge nudge, wink wink. So, I am gonna expel a few of your lot. But nothing personal and we will sort it out later. Is that ok?"
Putin: "Привет Don! No problem, I know the one, lol. I will obviously have do do likewise, although I have just gained another big majority so not too much pressure this end. But like you say, we can quietly sort it out later. I am sure you will weather the stormy - see what I did there, Don...."
Weird Granny Slater
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An 'incredible' recovery indeed. Good news that that 'deadly military-grade nerve agent' isn't all it's cracked up to be, and that there's some hope for the rest of us should we come under chemical attack from the Russians.
https://inews.co.uk/news/salisbury-attack-poisoned-ex-spys-daughter-yulia-skripal-no-longer-critically-ill-as-condition-improves-rapidly/'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I still think the powers to be are jumping the gun still no prove it was RUSSIA ,and what if it is found out that Russia did NOT do it, ?egg on all the western side of the world and they have to go back and say sorry what happens then?
Jan Higgins
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:
Maybe they did not realise how wonderful our medical teams can be or how our bodies repair themselves given the chance. Definitely good news I just hope her father also improves.
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Reginald Barrington
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Vic Matcham wrote:I still think the powers to be are jumping the gun still no prove it was RUSSIA ,and what if it is found out that Russia did NOT do it, ?egg on all the western side of the world and they have to go back and say sorry what happens then?
No proof that they have allowed you to see you mean Vic, obviously enough proof for the rest of the world, not sure but i think I'm going with the rest of the world, who have a higher access to national security details than our Vic!
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Bob Whysman
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Vic Matcham wrote:I still think the powers to be are jumping the gun still no prove it was RUSSIA ,and what if it is found out that Russia did NOT do it, ?egg on all the western side of the world and they have to go back and say sorry what happens then?
A bit of ‘wriggle room’ for Vladimir Putin maybe on the cards Vic.
https://dailym.ai/2GgUYgK
P.S. I know it’s from the mail online but it could come back to bite the West on the bum!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fools_rush_in_where_angels_fear_to_tread:
Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Nice bit of digging by TLE. That Corbyn anti-semitism business is rather opportune in deflecting attention away from dirty deeds and keeping the opposition's eyes turned inward. Were you suspicious you'd think this was organised. But then you'd need a compliant mainstream media to parrot the establishment lines, whereas ours is a model of independent thinking, critical distance and rigorous examination of evidence.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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From the Sunday Times, Russia getting involved again.
Its name is synonymous with death — the worst massacre in Europe since the Second World War. Row upon row of white gravestones march over a hillside at a sobering memorial centre. Yet the new mayor of Srebrenica not only denies genocide took place but wants to create an international spa resort here. As the first Serbian mayor since the massacre of about 8,300 of its Muslim men and boys by Serbian forces in the Bosnian War, Mladen Grujicic has outraged relatives and survivors by refusing to accept what the International Court of Justice in the Hague declared genocide. “I consider it a horrific crime, but what happened to Serbs was just as bad,” said the former chemistry teacher, sitting in his town hall office under a framed periodic table. “It’s just Muslims got all the attention.”
He also claimed to have “lots of evidence” that not all the names listed at the memorial were genuine victims. “We know some of them are still alive, or came from other areas. The whole thing is fishy.”
Such comments infuriate local Bosniak Muslims whose relatives were murdered and dumped into mass graves in the July 1995 massacre. “Having a Serbian mayor of Srebrenica is like making Osama bin Laden the mayor of New York,” said Sadmir Nukic, who was nine when he lost his father.
He returned in 2006, one of few Muslims to do so. “My mother asked how can you go back to somewhere from which we barely escaped,” he said. “But I refuse to be party to their plan to swipe away Muslims from this area. My biggest revenge was to return here alive.”
Abandoned houses dot the small mountain town and surrounding areas, silent witnesses of the horror that occurred. According to the mayor, there are about 7,000 inhabitants compared with 37,000 before the war. Then it was three-quarters Muslim, now the majority are Serbs. Just down the road in Tuzla is the largest forensic DNA project in history, the Missing Persons Institute, where specialists have painstakingly analysed thousands of bones of Srebrenica victims dumped in more than 500 sites. So far they have identified 6,938 bodies, some as young as 13. Hundreds more white body bags of remains line the shelves, waiting to be pieced together, tested and corroborated with families. “This is 100% accurate,” said Dragana Vucetic, the senior forensic anthropologist.
Few of their relatives have returned home. “Ethnic cleansing worked,” said Hasan Nuhanovic, who lost his parents and brother in the massacre and successfully sued the Dutch government for the failure of its UN peacekeeping force in Srebrenica to protect them.
All three ethnicities have their own narratives and documentation centres of the war. Egged on by politicians in Zagreb and Belgrade, Croats are arguing they should have their own entity within Bosnia while Serbs are demanding a referendum on independence, stirred up by their long-time allies in Moscow. Last week, the Night Wolves, the ultra-nationalist Russian biker gang, visited Republika Srpska. Four years ago, President Vladimir Putin presented their leader with a medal after they took part in the covert invasion to annex Crimea from Ukraine. General Curtis Scaparrotti, the top US military commander in Europe, has warned of increased covert and overt pressure from Russia on the Balkans, and said that Washington and Nato need to act. He told senators last month: “Russia is at work in the Balkans and we have kind of taken our eye off the area.” He said Moscow had “overtly interfered” in Bosnia’s political processes in 2016, when ethnic nationalists did well in local elections — and Grujicic ousted Srebrenica’s previous Bosniak mayor.
Lord Ashdown, who was the High Representative for Bosnia and Herzegovina from 2002-6, blames the European Union for not using the considerable leverage it has through the extensive financial aid it provides and Bosnian aspirations to join the EU, to focus authorities on proper governance and reconciliation. “It’s heartbreaking,” he said. “I think Brussels has acted fantastically irresponsibly. All the progress made has been allowed to reverse and we’ve let this country inside Europe become a playground for Russia and also for Islamic extremism.” bodik, the president of Republika Srpska, once a darling of the West, is now an avowed nationalist who wants a referendum on secession.
He has banned teaching about the Srebrenica genocide or the siege of Sarajevo and has frequently met Putin, sending his police to be trained by the Russians and recently buying 4,000 automatic weapons from Moscow.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The Russian Foreign Minister makes a valid point that the poisoning was a distraction that the PM benefited from.
https://news.sky.com/story/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-says-britain-could-have-poisoned-spy-11313772Guest 1416 likes this
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well well well. On tonights news the west cannot prove it was Russia in fact being to look like it was not ,
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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So, Porton Down's CE claims not only that they have not identified the source of the 'nerve agent' but that
'it is not our job to say where it was manufactured'.
https://news.sky.com/story/porton-down-experts-unable-to-identify-precise-source-of-novichok-that-poisoned-spy-11315387
In that case, where does this leave the Foreign Secretary, who responded thus in a recent interview:
'DW: You argue that the source of this nerve agent, Novichok, is Russia. How did you manage to find it out so quickly? Does Britain possess samples of it?
BJ: Let me be clear with you … When I look at the evidence, I mean the people from Porton Down, the laboratory …
DW: So they have the samples …
BJ: They do. And they were absolutely categorical and I asked the guy myself, I said, 'Are you sure?' And he said there's no doubt.'
http://www.dw.com/en/boris-johnson-russias-position-in-skripal-case-is-increasingly-bizarre/a-43043873
I expect, being the principled man that he is, he'll be stepping down soon. Or that if he doesn't the Pry Mincer, being the principled woman that she is, will be asking him to step down. After all, I'm sure she wouldn't want a liar in her cabinet.
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Captain Haddock
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1) It is the 'job' of the OPCW to comment on source of manufacture.
2) It is not the 'job' of DSTL (Porton Down)
DSTL are clear. The government are clear. Some people are unbelievably stupid.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:Some people are unbelievably stupid.
You really shouldn't put yourself down, Sir: you're trying very hard, after all. Read my post again.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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We appear to be getting ourselves into a bit of a pickle with this. Bit of a communications mess as I am sure our position is actually pretty sound - Government too keen to keep banging on about it because of the positive publicity.
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This is a direct quote from the British ambassador to Russia, Laurie Bristow. The tweet has since been deleted by the Foreign Office. This does not look good for the UK government. Apparently Boris "mis-spoke", did the Foreign Office mis-tweet as well ?
A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.
Guest 1416- Registered: 20 Nov 2014
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Here the British ambassador says: "There is no doubt that this Novichok was produced... by the Russian state."
Strangely this tweet hasn't been deleted. Is it so that Boris would have the name (Laurie Bristow) of someone he can attach blame to ?
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A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Still NO PROVE a lot of taking but where is the prove?
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