Weird Granny Slater
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A valiant attempt by Rudd-underling Ben Wallace on R4's World at One today to hit the ball into the long grass. Amidst Wallace's accusations of Russian obfuscation and deflection, presenter Mark Mardell several times attempted to ask the 'was Johnson lying' question and was several times put off by Wallace's, er, obfuscations and deflections. Shame Mardell didn't persist. But Wallace's inability to get a grip on his 3-iron meant a spell in the bunker and an eventual double-bogey for him.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Guest 1416- Registered: 20 Nov 2014
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I think the only proof we have, Vic, is the undisputed reality that this government has lost all trust and is not fit for purpose, the so called "top diplomat" has proven to be a danger not only to this country but to the world at large.
A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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Do any of you honestly believe that any government in the world would publish proof that a foreign state actor had released a nerve agent on their soil if they had it?
Or do you perhaps think this proof would be used in behind the scenes diplomacy?
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Reginald Barrington
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Of course they do Ross. Not having the smarts to understand the need for secrecy, they would also like a list of all our undercover agents made public!
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Arte et Marte
Guest 1416- Registered: 20 Nov 2014
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Fact #1 - UK's Russia narrative is a
Verdict in Search of a Crime
Fact #2 - An accusation for which there is no evidence has been used to manufacture support for new escalations against Russia, a longtime rival of the western empire. What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? Apparently does not apply to Russia
Fact #3 - BoJo is a dangerous & arrogant buffoon that needs to be locked up in the Tower of London, with the keys thrown away in the Thames immediately after.
Fact #4 - Every dying empire has its throes.
A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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In summing up the situation so far Jezza is now looking like the statesman by not jumping in and Boris looks as trustworthy as an Australian cricket captain.
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Captain Haddock
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Boris Johnson
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1) Porton Down identified nerve agent as military grade Novichok; 2) Russia has investigated delivering nerve agents,likely for assassination,& as part of this programme has produced and stockpiled small quantities of Novichoks; 3) Russia has motive for targeting Sergei Skripal.
28 other countries have been so convinced by UK case they have expelled Russians. In contrast, Jeremy Corbyn chooses to side with the Russian spin machine.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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They openly said Russia done it,so they should be just as open with proving it or say nothing to the public about any of it. You cannot have it both ways just to suit your self .The UK could not wait to put the blame on Russia the very first day they called in the press and TV,
it was handed in a bad way
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 1416- Registered: 20 Nov 2014
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Captain Haddock #128: “28 other countries have been so convinced by UK case they have expelled Russians. In contrast, Jeremy Corbyn chooses to side with the Russian spin machine.”
I like this one better!
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A clear conscience is the sure sign of a bad memory.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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There are a number of contributors on here laudably bowling googlies for HMG but failing to hit the wicket. Question is: either 'the guy' at PD was lying, or the Foreign Secretary was. Who was it? Johnson's 'reply' and your 'contributions' simply duck the ball.
And as for tarring those who dare to ask questions with the 'Russian spin machine' brush, that's a great 'if-you're-not-with-the-way-we-tell-it-you're-against-us' tactic worthy of all good totalitarians. Putin would admire you for using it.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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See #124.
There's loads of stuff going on in life which should not and does not get given out to feed the great unwashed's 'need to know'.
Often - I suggest - we get told too much.
e.g. The French policeman who died after swapping places with a hostage and got slaughtered by yet another misinterpreter of the Koran the other week was widely reported to have left his phone on silent but transmitting so that officers outside could keep track of events. Can't see that happening again. Nice one journalists.
If you honestly believe that the evidence given to HMG and friendly states about the poisoning is solely that which you have read in the news or heard on TV, i.e. is purely circumstantial, you are very stupid and the £2 billion a year spent on the Single Intelligence Account (SIA) is wasted.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Still ducking? OK, I take it all back. And Blair never lied about WMDs either.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Blair spun information given by SIS for his own ends and chose to ignore caveats.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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#133 Bill Frindall might describe that as... Bowled a maiden(head) over.
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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As usual Boris has run off at the mouth and been economical with the already economical facts he has been provided with, whilst at the same time throwing in the now almost obligatory slur on Jeremy Corbyn.
It is clear that all Porton Down has ever confirmed was the type of nerve agent utilised, They have also been very clear that they could not and nor was it their job to make any statement about who may have manufactured it or used it.
Not that JC has covered himself in glory lately either but at least he had the good grace in this situation to not sling mud for the sheer hell of it
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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It would appear that Boris has reached his best-before date.
I was pondering what his next career move might be when I remembered that he was born in New York. This makes him eligible to run for President to succeed Trump.
At the very least that fact opens up lots of possibilities for fake news items and April Fool stories, but actually Boris has much in common with The Donald - not least that they both have, shall we say, items in their CV of which they may not be overly proud.
Never say never.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thank you all for making this tread a good one lots of good post about it, and I still think there is more to come on this story yet,I do not agree with all being said but that does not matter and who is to say I am right,again thank you.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Unfortunately, this is one of the hangovers from Brexit. That politicians (some more than others...) think that it is perfectly acceptable to be economical with the truth - because as long as you state your position loudly enough and passionately enough, you can win the day. The press has long since stopped holding our political class to account, as they too are obsessed with Brexit one way or the others. Facts, it seems, no longer matter.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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With Johnson it's not a case of being economical with the truth, but it is a case of throwing profligate quantities of verbiage at the truth and hoping to overcome it. Dear Prudence indeed!
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
