Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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So it's ok for Keith to keep throwing insults at Nigel but when PaulW comes back with the truth about him (Keith) it's a no no? I think Paul has given us all an insight into how things were and why, Keith, they are as they are now.
With you all the way Paul, you don't post all the time with a load of drivel like some but when you do post it's factual and informative - thank you.
Some people have very short memories - I still remember all Nigel has done (and is doing) for Dover and we should all apreciate it. No-one is saying he did it alone, just that he was at the helm and was a damned good leader.
Ross I agree with you too but feel Paul had every right to say what he did - feedom of speech doncha know!
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
Ross Miller
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Jacqui I would have made the same observation had I read threads where others were trying to make a point and using ad hominem attacks to justify it. My observation was not that Paul should not make these points just that it lessened the argument he was making about why the sub-committee in question was disbanded.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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to my mind, the whole issue of sub committees should be discussed.
if we have a committee to study the facts, discuss the issues, then pass their findings to the scrutiny people, what is the
point of having a sub committee?
i think that this is more important than discussion on personalities.
this thread was started as an attack on an individual councillor, none of us know who.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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This thread was started to point out how democracy does not always rule .We were told that our committeee was to be disbanded but formal consultations were to take place with Parish Councils .That is not happening .I myself seem to be fighting the corner for the River bus service and certain other routes .I actually speak to senior officers of Stagecoach . Information is not always being shared with councillors and the Portfolio Holder alone cannot do everything .
Sid Pollitt
I got your point Sue. I am concerned that more and more decisions seem to be taken behind closed doors and I also think that this joint working with other councils is undemocratic. I know some want to see 'savings' but democracy costs money.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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susan
you say that you are fighting your corner for the "river" bus service.
at present there is a good service there, are there plans to cut the frequency?
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Amalagmation of services,moving of bus stops etc.We also need to safeguard the 66a route which goes via The Ridgeway .The 62 part of that route has been discontinued .Every half hour Service Howard miss one out and its an hours wait .Buckland area every ten minutes .Tesco call the tune I believe ?
Cuts to the rail services on The Victoria line which serves Kearsney .These things need proper consultation .
Tesco will always have an undemocratic sway over local policies, because of ther financial input. Not fair or honest, but true.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not the fault of tesco, half of the dover spend is in their shops.
How is it not the fault of tesco? (I hate Tesco....) They built the shop, enticed a horribly naive Council with promises and then withdrew the free buses etc etc, out-sourced the cafe so it is now total shite, suck the life out of the town centre, provide a rubbish service with no care for customers or sensible attitudes. Their smothering of our Town was deliberate and calculated, aided and abetted by the local reps, and at the same time garnering them inappropriate and unbalanced opportunities to sway local policy and warp planning laws. I need to lie down for a while........................
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no-one is forced to go there, the reason some give is free parking.
they spend more on petrol usually than is saved on parking.
bus services run to and from all the major supermarkets, including tesco, people have the choice.
they are a private business and their first responsibility is to their shareholders, by law.
if they think that the free bus service is unprofitable, they have a duty to stop it.
many of the people that give them stick, admit to shopping there.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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I think Tesco's has had a monopoly for some time, but if we ever get these other suprmarkets in town that hopefully will all change.
So howard yes people have choice, but tesco's was the only 1 that had monoploly
hopefully with these others that may come to Dover that will change
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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on the question of the sub c/ttee its gone now no point looking back, just got to look forward as Sid says now have a cabinet in both District and county where just 1 or 2 people will be making decisions on our lives behind closed doors
If your happy with that fine I aint!!!!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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tesco does not have a monopoly keith.
they are far away from the town centre.
if we bring up the subject of free parking, then farm foods, netto, the big pet shop and the big pound place provide the same facility.
their catchment area is better too.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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HOWARD
Netto's etc cannot compete with Tesco's with the variety etc so they do have a monopoly.
Hopefully we wont fail like we have with Asda
and morrisons will come to Dover.
Morrisons will give tesco's a run for there money
It is naive to say Tesco don't have a monopoly, and naive to say, for instance, that they review their bus run around profit: it was a calculated means of enticing people. Tescos presence has dragged the town centre down, along with other factors. it is in tescos interests to deplete the town and reduce the choices for people so that they will shop at tesco. Choice isn't even close to being a factor. Reduction of choice is the driver, making sure more people fill tesco coffers and empty the town centre.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they do not run free buses anymore, people have to pay to get there.
the last time i was in their retail emporium was over 3 years ago, i do not ever feel that i am missing out on something.
they are not my kind of shop.
for other people, it is their kind of shop, i do not see anything sinister in it.
it will be the same should asda ever come to our town, i doubt that i will cross their threshold very often.
That's the point: the free buses were an initial inducement to hook people - once they succeeded and the town centre was reduced, no more need for free buses.....! people the n have to pay to get there as the only realistic option. I do believe it is, not sinister, but well planned, dirty and not in the best interests of proper living and towns. Those large superstores suck the life out of a place in a calculated and planned way in order to take over, and because we don't quite believe people work that way we go along with it becaue it is "cheap" or "convenient". Well, it may be so now, but when we have genuinely no alternatives, we will see the prices rise and the convenience and choice drop. Once hooked, there will be no return, as all the small shops and town centres will have gone beyond return.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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And that's what I tried to fight against with the Dover Loyalty Scheme - to help keep people shopping locally, not going up the hill to Tescos all the time.
"Shop local", or "use it or lose it" are both very valid phrases, especially with Dover Town.
How can you expect better shops, if you never shop here ?
Sometimes things are worth fighting for and I believe that Dover is one such thing - if you do too, try Dover's shops first.
Roger
Absolutely Roger! Them's fighting words, and we should all be behind them - in front of them, beside them and under them, if necessary! Whatever it takes!