Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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22 October 2009
09:4831172"Young people depend on us for support and they need to be taught to lead independent lives" So says a spokesman for the KCC justifying a weekly hand-out of £25 to young asylum seekers.The aim apparently is to help them to learn how to cope with money.
I suggest you all check your pockets to see how much money is in them and decide if you're coping..
Is this true Watty or anyone from KCC?. No wonder Calais is so full of young lads just waiting to 'cope' on weekly KCC handouts.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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22 October 2009
18:2831193It`s the action`s like above which gives support to the National parties. People in this country are sick to death of our money being paid out to foreigners. I`ve never been into politics, so I`m not qualified to make comments, only when I see happenings like above. More DO GOODERS!!!
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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22 October 2009
18:4431197Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
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22 October 2009
18:5431199Marek, I'm not KCC.
But you are quite correct.
I challenged KCC's Leader last week on this issue.
You need to remember if central government won't refund these sums , you the council tax payer picks up the tab.
This is not new , there are many other expenses KCC tries to reclaim on your behalf, this is small beer.
I sit on a National & Regional Committee that confronts both the UKBA and government about local people picking up national responsibilities.
Never the less it will still be the tax payer in general who picks up the tab.
So what to do?
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 October 2009
18:5931201seems like the blues up at maidstone are pretty free with other peoples money.
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22 October 2009
19:2331213Howard, don't think that is the case. Something to do with Human Rights, Children's legislation and more. I've spent last two and a half years listening to UKBA and Phil Woolas or his predecessor going thru.this. You can be sure KCC challenge the processes on your behalf as do Hounslow, Slough andothers who are Gateway [points of entry] areas. There are robust Audit and legal challenges to get your money back -and with some success.
Watty
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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22 October 2009
19:2531216Watty
Thanks for your prompt reply.I would like to think befor putting digit to keyboard and then hopefully give a reasoned reply rather than a knee jerk reaction
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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22 October 2009
19:2731217From the inside, Marek.
Watty
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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22 October 2009
21:4131235local councils been shafted by national govts even when tory in govt in fact when we had a tory govt maggie and others made it clear she was going to squeeze squeeze and squeeze again all local councils she had no time for them at all and made sure they got next to no funding year on year
so lets not have these crocodile tears PAUL WATKINS
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 October 2009
22:1131239when will local authorities get together and demand funding that matches their obligations?
probably never, they seem too busy scoring points off of their opponents.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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22 October 2009
23:4131247HOWARD
I don't think its that simple.
We have a number of issues here
As I'v said many times we have 3 councils and thats to many, and to many cllrs that go with it.
On the funding National parties both BLUE and RED have never realy supported local Govt,
I firmly believe that decisions that effect our communities should be made at the lowest level possible, ie community groups, town/District councils etc
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23 October 2009
07:4031256Howard, the Local Government Assn [LGA] represent All Councils. They have a Migration Forum which meets with UKBA [Immigration], Home Office, Ministers etc. The Forum meets three times a year. Many of the funding issues of yester year have been sorted and refunds come accordingly. The issue surrounds the type of service each local authority provides and Human Rights issues which government wants to enforce but not pay for.Add the LSC- whilst still in being paying for language training- and local authorities employing community development officers[not funded] to interface with Migrants in an attempt to avoid local unrest thru. cultural differences and you have a major funding imbalance.
I personally know this to be the case because, I represent the South East on this grouping. The Forum is UK wide, which is unusual as normally Scotland , Northern Ireland and Wales are normally channelled thru. their respective Government offices.
There is a discussion particularly from the North about the rise of the BNP in their areas, which politicians and officials put down to Migration issues
Watty
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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23 October 2009
07:5331259Well paul W lets answer again some of these issues you raise;
1; FUNDING
I would and have supported you in any shortfall in Govt lack of funding of any
projects, both BLUE and RED and funding has been better under the REDS
2; The rise of the BNP is because of the lack of engagement/-scandals of national
politicians and peopole totally distrust politicians of all political persuasions and
as a protest they vote for the BNP as I stated on another post GRIFFIN didn't
do himself any justice last night and its now up to the major parties to
re engage with the electorate, to not do so will see parties like the BNP to
continue to win seats.
This is a great opportunity for the major parties to re-engage, it will take
time.
Dont forget Paulw its not all national we have in our local elections here
had a BNP candidate and he got 160 votes
3; Glad to hear you represent us on all these bodies, hopefully then you can
Influence them on the issues raised on this forum such as Dover's dieing town
centre, do you have a view on it?
On a completely seperate note is ASDA coming Dover or not? if so approx when?
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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27 October 2009
15:3331719Keith, apologies for the belated timing of this posting.
By saying that funding is better under the Reds as you so inelequently put it, you have surely shot your self in the foot. The point of the thread is peoples dissatisfaction with the handouts being made to what they consider an unjustified cause. Whereas you are saying the Reds are more generous in giving our money away to those unjustified causes.
At no point did Paul bring party politics into his responses but was kind enough to give a very concise report on what he knows first hand to be the facts with no political advantage to himself or his party.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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27 October 2009
15:4131720KEN
how are yer buddy, whens my tea and bacon roll?
on the posting;
The thread did change slightlly where Paul got into Govt grants in general.
Which I replied to.
I have nowt to gain from my posting uncle KEN just my own view, unlike yourself as you have made it clear mr Watkins is your new found hero, and thats fine, everyone to there own.
27 October 2009
15:5331723It is not just the hand out as per this subject heading but handouts in general.
This is why so many are in Calais waiting to come to the "Land of Honey"
All major parties claim they have the immigration answer BUT none seem to look at a major cause viz the social handouts.
Wherever funded (at us the taxpayer) they need to be controlled and the clear message sent that we are not the honey pot with cash and jobs.
This country has its own social needs and we must start to look after our own people many of whom are on difficult times including those who have been a member of the "Tax Club" for many years.
The cost of translators etc to the "Entry points" is high and if this is not recovered centrally puts yet more financial burden on our Council resulting in cut backs on items for Dover.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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27 October 2009
16:1331728Could I widen the subject of handouts, whilst I endorse a lot of the comments, there are a number of WHITE ENGLISH people who abuse the system, shouldnt we also be looking more into -this?
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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27 October 2009
16:1831731Are any other countries in this world as generous as we are? (OR STUPID?).
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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27 October 2009
16:4631739I could do with a hand out after droping well over £100 today out of my wallet.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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28 October 2009
14:1831816Keith I have always had the greatest respect for Paul(Watkins) and the elequent way he answers even if I haven't always agreed with him.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.