Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,816
We can all say nice things about the past that have nothing to do with how we and our families and friends live today. Times change and us oldies have to accept that and change with them or look like an old fuddy-duddy.
So the locals living near Pencester do not like the noise and disruption but put up with the recurring drunks, druggies and anti-social behaviour never mind the occasional loud noise from happy children or even the few other public events held in that area.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
- Posts: 541
Unfortunately Sue, the world has moved on and pressures and life are different. Cute little "village" fetes are great for younger children and older people, but it's missing the bulk of the teenage and twenty / thirty somethings.
We can all argue about it being better in the old days, and you might not like the "new" people like me on the forum, but we actually want the town to flourish and improve. Taking away the fair with no alternative (that I know of) or plans to resolve the antisocial behaviour is one way of destroying the town even more.
If you want a point scoring exercise on the "working element" bring it on as I've worked 24/7 for the past 30 years, including Christmas, and it will probably kill me before retirement but hey, I won't have to read this forum
Enjoy blackberry picking and dancing round the maypole
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,966
It's even grimmer up north!
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
"If you want a point scoring exercise on the "working element" bring it on as I've worked 24/7 for the past 30 years, including Christmas, and it will probably kill me before retirement but hey, I won't have to read this forum"
Blimey! Sounds a bit like Kim Jong-un. The North Koreans are told that he never sleeps. He doesn't urinate or defeacate either, apparently.
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Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 450
After reading these posts it seems DDC are not very forthcoming
But…
1. When I was young a long time ago there was a putting course in Pencester and they parked their transports etc on it. No golf for a couple of weeks until grass grew back. Grass always grows back.
2. Folkestone and Deal have the same problem with grass growing back.
3. Trucks cannot get in. Hang on let’s include in the design and make an entrance for trucks. That way more events can take place.
4. The fair makes a lot a noise. In Deal it is on Walmer Green. In Folkestone it is Radnor park. Both in residential areas.
5. Anti social behaviour.. fairs always attract some anti social behaviour.
6. Move to another place.. Pencester is central and everyone can get there. By train or bus.. until the bus cuts.
So no idea where DDC are coming from… would be nice to know more information and also inform the residents of Dover and see what they think..
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
- Posts: 541
ray hutstone wrote:"If you want a point scoring exercise on the "working element" bring it on as I've worked 24/7 for the past 30 years, including Christmas, and it will probably kill me before retirement but hey, I won't have to read this forum"
Blimey! Sounds a bit like Kim Jong-un. The North Koreans are told that he never sleeps. He doesn't urinate or defeacate either, apparently.
I'll give you that one Ray
"24/7 shift working" I should clarify! I should have remembered that someone on here would pick me up on every word
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
I don't mind a bit of hyperbole, fella. But when you accusing Sue of point scoring then that was a bit too rich for me. There's plenty of folks who have worked hard all their lives on this forum.
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
- Posts: 541
Evening Ray, I was merely pointing out that when I mentioned have a nice time on Sunday because I'm working, Sue came back quoting 4 people who have done or are working at weekends/bank holidays.
Sounded to me like Sue was trying to score points, or prove something to me, that's all.....
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.....
Still doesn't solve the issue of losing a Funfair when people on here seem to know more than they want to admit on a public forum! Silly really, we are not talking about National Security and transparency of public servants might produce a bit of respect for them....maybe!
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Looks like not just me thinking it Sue lol
What I got up to when I was young is fine
But as Jan and others have said , times have moved on from what you may or may not have done
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Andy B
- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
- Posts: 1,746
Just really comes down to one thing,why we in Dover cant have a Funfair when other towns can?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Got it in one Andy
A look ahead council ?
They continue to disappoint
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,007
Andy B wrote:Just really comes down to one thing,why we in Dover cant have a Funfair when other towns can?
Most likely because there's this word 'fun' in it.
Part of the attraction of funfairs is their element of licence and risk, anonymity and spontaneity. Authorities quiver at this and increasingly want to 'provide' you with an 'experience' they can shape and control.
Plus Dover's demographic. Deal's middle-class can be trusted to be 'responsible' whereas Dover's working-class just cannot restrain themselves and need their energies channelled into daisy-picking.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,020
Enjoy the Jubilee.Bunting is up outside my house .
Andy B- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
- Posts: 1,746
Daisy picking and piss head spotting in Pencester gardens.If we,re really lucky the council might allow us a paper boat race,made from sustainably sourced paper.Leaf pressing sounds good but that might be a little too exiting.Maybe a few forms to fill in first and all those taking part will need a Hi-viz vest and of course the risk assesment.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,020
You would be surprised how many people claim compensation as they have not read warning signs etc .Todays culture is sue the Council.So now every entertainment has to have a risk assessment.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,007
Ok SN, surprise us.
How many event claims for compensation against DDC? How many of those claims are successful, how many dismissed?
Specifically, how many successful claims over, say, the last 10 years had anything to do with the funfair, since that is the event in question. (And, afaik, the council didn't use a proliferation of compensation settlements as an excuse for cancellation.)
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Be interesting to see the replies
Difficult to keep up where our Sue is coming from
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Weird Granny Slater wrote:Ok SN, surprise us.
How many event claims for compensation against DDC? How many of those claims are successful, how many dismissed?
Specifically, how many successful claims over, say, the last 10 years had anything to do with the funfair, since that is the event in question. (And, afaik, the council didn't use a proliferation of compensation settlements as an excuse for cancellation.)
Freedom of Information request will answer all those points for you, if you're genuinely interested. In my experience, DDC are pretty good at meeting their obligations in this respect.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,235
I think Sue was just pointing out that even if the event was 'leaf pressing' the organisers would have to complete a full risk assesment or would find it difficult to dismiss any claim.
Arte et Marte
The Gov- Registered: 24 May 2020
- Posts: 151
Just come back from Folkestone and have been talking to James who runs the fair and is upset that DDC have stopped fair in Dover this year. He said that Neil Rix from the Dover Town Team and the other members have been working to get DDC to have a change of heart.
Along with members on Facebook etc emailing the powers to be. Only One member if DDC towers has stopped this. And he does not even live in Dover Bloody Joke. Things may change Fingers crossed.
