Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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I see the Navy appear to be giving up?
"Row as Royal Navy backs down on role as Channel migrant 'taxi service'"
https://mol.im/a/11116281
I expect some will have an opinion on that!
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,028
Yeah, well, back in the day... "Everyone knows the Royal Navy rules the waves. This [deployment of the Navy to the Channel] sends a clear message how serious Britain is about putting a stop to the small boat crossings."
https://natalieelphicke.com/2022/01/20/welcoming-navy-deployment-to-the-channel/(Not my real name.)
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,028
With the RN taxi service about to sail off into the sunset (BTW I meant
Isotrope back in #300), how about a new service that's kinder to the planet?
https://www.doverport.co.uk/about/news/new-sustainable-passenger-service-due-to-launch-in/13700/
(Seriously, I would've thought that this would mean blowing the dust off UKBF desks in Boulogne, but apparently "Border formalities will be conducted on departure and arrival by the mobile border agents – meaning passengers can go from the quaint harbour cafés at either marina and hop aboard the boat for sailing within 30 minutes" - whatever that means exactly.)
Curved ball or what?
(Not my real name.)
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,938
Over 21,000 now and a visit from Eastbourne RNLI!
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
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Wow, this thread is sooo informative...
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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AndyPol wrote:Wow, this thread is sooo informative...
Don't open it then AndyPol. The Government would hope that people don't.
Meanwhile yesterday
ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY-FIVE migrants arrived illegally from dinghies.
Hardly worth commenting is it?
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,803
The really worrying thing is the way our so called French allies, historically we have never been friends, allow all these over loaded dinghies to leave their shores and waters.
It is so obvious the French officials just want shot of these people and never mind if lives are tragically lost. A few publicity photo shoots of boats being damaged mean little.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,018
I find these posts very interesting.Something is seriously wrong that so many are still crossing the channel.Where is our MP.Where is the Home.Secretary?. oh it’s Summer Holidays ! Silly me..I see the news reporters still babbling on .A trip down to the sea front not that I go there these days and you can see these people risking their lives everyday .What are we doing once they are in British waters they have to be rescued.Boris is still our Prime Minister.where are they ?..
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,231
Keep posting Captain. People need to keep hearing about these numbers. Those of the Naz Shah school of thought "Shut up for the good of diversity," won't listen anyway.
The fact that they had to call upon the Eastbourne lifeboat shows how high the numbers crossing really are!
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Arte et Marte
Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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This post is full of bias and opinions which are not up to date with what is really going on.
There is no secret that it's a problem and it's just a thread that brings nothing to Dover. None of the migrants stay in Dover, the problem is a national issue, not a local one. What impact on Dover do the migrants have? Ironically they provide jobs for all the staff needed to process them, which is actually good for the local economy! Other than that, they don't stay here or impact on us locals.
If the migrants were going into Ramsgate all the time, would it be relevant to Dover? No?
The app used is Marine Traffic and for those of you with smartphones, it's free and you can look for yourself!
None of you have any respect or time for the French, Border Force, the Navy, RNLI or anyone else involved, because you've all got uneducated opinions as armchair admirals.
Using terms like "taxi" service are just insulting to those agencies working on the issue. Do you consider that a teenager stupid enough to float out to sea on a rubber ring for a laugh deserves to be rescued any more that a rubber dingy full of migrants ? You could argue the rescue of both is a "taxi" service?
Bottom line is that it isn't Dover related (other than the fact that they arrive at Dover) and a chance for posters to rant about "how I'd deal with it" type posts, quote people that have no real knowledge at all in the situation.
You all have no idea and it just shows your complete lack of understanding of the situation.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,018
Thank you Andy .Im aware that these people are bused of elsewhere.I try to tell my friends this but unfortunately they are race biased.
I lived in Slough in the sixties and my Daughter has lived in London now the Midlands.Im not biased I think the media plays on the situation.
Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Keep posting Captain. People need to keep hearing about these numbers. Those of the Naz Shah school of thought "Shut up for the good of diversity," won't listen anyway.
The fact that they had to call upon the Eastbourne lifeboat shows how high the numbers crossing really are!
I nearly lost my job once because I wasn't diverse enough, so barking up the wrong tree there I'm afraid!
Have you maybe considered that the Eastbourne lifeboat was used because a boat was in their area and the only place to drop off was Dover because they have the facilities there? It doesn't show how big the numbers are, just means a migrant boat floated that way.
But it suits the agenda of this thread I suppose......
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,938
Over 22,000 now this year.
To put things in perspective the O2 Arena in London can hold 20,000.
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,696
It doesn't though does it Bob.
Those 22,000 people you are referring to are not all in one place, but distributed across the country, so surely it would be better to talk about the numbers in terms of
a) percentage of our population or
b) in relation to documented inbound & outbound migration or
c) the impact on net migration and then relate that to total population
Of course the problem with that as @AndyPol pointed out is it wouldn't fit the narrative you and others on the right politically are trying to project
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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Captain Haddock wrote:Over 22,000 now this year.
To put things in perspective the O2 Arena in London can hold 20,000.
And your point is.....
The only thing you are putting into perspective is your own agenda to scaremonger without actually providing a solution?
In 2021, 573,000 people migrated to the UK and 334,000 people emigrated, leaving an increase of 239,000 additions to the population (source:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/#:~:text=In%20the%20year%20ending%20June,and%20out%20of%20the%20country. )
Take into account the fact that there are so many ways to enter the UK legally and then stay here illegally, how many of those 22,000 would have come in via other routes if the maritime trafficking was not so easy, and suddenly the 22,000 doesn't seem so bad? Don't forget that a few of those babies and children who have been trafficked might grow up to be an NHS surgeon, a headteacher or even discover the cure for cancer. You have no idea and can't tell me you do!
Thankfully, your sensationalist posts are probably not seen by many, so you carry on ranting about how terrible it is and thankfully this thread will tail off when most of us are no longer around and people like my son or daughter will have a say in the future of the UK.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,803
"None of you have any respect or time for the French, Border Force, the Navy, RNLI or anyone else involved, because you've all got uneducated opinions as armchair admirals."
I find the above statement from AndyPol extremely insulting , our whole family have supported the RNLI volunteers for more years than I can remember.
If the French are so brilliant how on earth can they not know that over a thousand people are gathered and can leave their shores in one day, therefore I definitely have no respect for the officials that do nothing.
As an aside my "uneducated" armchair admiral opinion is just as valid as your biased rant.
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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I still stand by the fact that none of you have a clue what is going on. You support the RNLI Jan, and that's really great, I fully condone that, but you then admit to having no respect for the French which shows a lack of understanding in the work they do! It's divisive attitudes like that that won't get this migrant issue solved.
As far as I am aware, not one of you currently works for any of the four agencies I mentioned, which makes you armchair admirals by definition (I'm happy to include me as an armchair admiral too if that helps!)
As far as ranting goes, I thought I was quite tame...
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,231
So whats your solution to the 22 000 illegally crossing the channel, at great risk to themselves and our agencies that are having to pick them up? Put up and shut up seems your only answer.
The Eastbourne life boat if you cared to look picked up off Dymchurch and proceeded to Dover to drop off, this on the day of the highest number of illegal crossings, where were the other more local lifeboats, the Border Force and the Royal Navy? You'll find they were picking up migrants, so yes it is somewhat indicative of how busy it was in the channel.
As for the teenager on the rubber ring, who's going to rescue him while everyone else is taxiing economic migrants on to our shores?
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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There is nothing like a good old migrant bashing thread to bring out everyone's bias!
You are all very selective about which parts of my post you criticise or twist to suit your agenda and I'm sure this reply will be no different!
Meanwhile the Captain is happy, his thread is constantly top of the forum about Dover, what a great advert, no wonder the town has a bad name!
As for a solution Reg, I don't have one but neither do you.....
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
