ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Matey wrote:Do you know, I have an inkling that Ray doesn’t like that haddock chap very much ……..
Doubt that I'll ever be his Tintin, if that's what you mean.
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Captain Haddock
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Just Sioux
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ray hutstone wrote:Yes. Very profound. And witty. Oh and, by the way, I don't have a cat.
Why have the bother of a cat cr***ing everywhere when you can do a better job yourself?
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Protest by asylum seekers who have been put up at the Holiday Inn in Empire Way, Wembley Hotel for 12 months...
"living in poor conditions and sometimes becoming ill over the food provided."
Mexico !
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Weird Granny Slater
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At least they've found an Englishman to help with their spelling.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Let's assume that the Mail has done some dependable research for a change and think about the problem. How best to solve it? Take away the trafficker's business model, of course.
Unfortunately, that's not politically acceptable in certain quarters.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Serious question. If the positions were reversed do you think the UK would put up with tens of thousands of undocumented illegals camping on the coast and being fed and clothed by foreign 'charities'?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Not really relevant to the point in the Mail article but a question which merits a serious answer.
No - of course we wouldn't. And neither do the French. They've been moving asylum seekers on and razing their 'camps' to the ground for years. But they keep returning. Relatively, their numbers are low. Considerably more seek asylum in France. The problem which preoccupies you and this hapless government is the remainder who are determined to come to the UK - 75% of whom are successful in their application. Of those who are rejected and subsequently appeal, the success rate is 50%.
If only we could think of a way of meeting our international obligations without forcing these people into small boats.
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Ray. I refer to undocumented illegals NOT asylum seekers. DO give me a call when you half understand the 'problem' if you see it as such.
Grateful to know (for example) why EU are in middle of negotiations to return undocumented migrants to Tunisia but refuse to discuss matter with UK, with us returning to France?
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Despite making up only 13% of London's total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London's knife murder victims, 61% of knife murder perpetrators and 53% of knife crime perpetrators.10 Feb 2022
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Ray. I refer to undocumented illegals NOT asylum seekers. DO give me a call when you half understand the 'problem' if you see it as such.
Grateful to know (for example) why EU are in middle of negotiations to return undocumented migrants to Tunisia but refuse to discuss matter with UK, with us returning to France?
And who are you to determine whether a fellow human being is an undocumented illegal (whatever that means) or an asylum seeker? I really don't feel any great need or desire to 'give you a call' to acquire whatever wisdom or knowledge that you erroneously believe you possess.
Equally, I might ask you why the UK has been so desperate to petition (unsuccessfully as it happens) the EU commission to be able to return failed asylum seekers to their point of EU entry. It's an international problem. If we choose to take a unilateral approach then we can only expect the obvious consequences.
Keith Sansum1
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You can see from the last two posts why it's chaos
No one has any workable solutions at this time
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Jan Higgins
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ray hutstone wrote:And who are you to determine whether a fellow human being is an undocumented illegal (whatever that means) or an asylum seeker?
No official UK documentation of any kind means a person is 99.5% likely to have entered illegally.
If no persecution or war in the country they last left or came from they are not claim to be asylum seekers.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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It's a very difficult problem to solve , as you can see from the present situation
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TheThinWhiteDuke- Registered: 7 Jul 2016
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ray hutstone wrote:I know both facilities very well and have no need of your cribbed descriptions.
So your initial outrage concerned the fact that the UK side did it's bit when medical facilities in Nord-pas-de Calais are so superior? More deflection, more BS.
TWD did readers a favour in introducing that wonderfully appropriate term Schrodinger's Douchebag.
Thanks RH. Not my phrase obvs. Think I first heard it from the comic Doug Stanhope.
Douchebag is a bit of an Americanism though (I type. Showing my own prejudiced -isms
).
Dickhead is a more appropriate British term for the same kind of behaviour I think. It also implies tending towards ignorant idiocy rather than don't give a shit/knowing malice.
I googled "Schrodinger's Dickhead" and the front page of results all came back as "Shrodinger's Asshole". Which is also an Americanism. An ass is a donkey you arses.
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Matey
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:You can see from the last two posts why it's chaos
No one has any workable solutions at this time
I think this is exactly the case Keith. There are no workable solutions, an extremely difficult situation to change, especially as there are so many illegal immigrants already here now and more still come daily. The government are trying several ways to stop it, but there are too many people that seem to want to block their efforts.
I have no answer, but I think the possible solution may in in France rather than here....
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think we have to be careful of the term illegal .
If you were the French Govt would you want to stop crossings ?
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I cannot think of a more difficult policy conundrum to fix. However, I do know one thing, getting on top of the backlog and actually processing people will be a huge help. We'd then be in a very different situation - we could legitimately say that we'd processed people, determined that they were not genuine asylum seekers and they should be returned. At present, it's too easy for other countries to point out that they haven't even been processed, so no debate to be had.
Of course, the problem the government has is that the main goal seems to be to create division with Labour, which isn't happening. They've also gambled everything that they'll win a battle along the lines of "We've tried everything to stop the boats, but pesky, leftie lawyers, the EU, France, aliens, weather, the solar system etc. have made it impossible". That won't cut it.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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How dare you utter some common sense on this subject, Neil?
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