howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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yet you still interfere with the goings on in dover town susan.
there are also people in whitfield that believe that they reside in a village.
to my way of thinking, a village is a seperate entity from a town, cut off by a piece of countryside, with a pub and church in the centre.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Quite right Howard, I live in Whitfield but there is no way I would call it a village. It really isn't even a closely knitted community. A village is precisely how you describe it anything else is a suburb of a town
Sue,River forms part of Dover and as such is controlled by DDC, a parish council is a waste of money and should be disbanded.
Alec Sheldon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 18 Aug 2008
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I am with Dave1 on this. I live in Whitfield and I have always classed it as a suburb of Dover. There is nothing villagey (is that a word) about it. I think it is all to do with snobbishness. Lots of people like to think that they live in a village and there is a sign just before the roundabout saying "drive carefully through the village" so they believe it.
I did live in a proper village for a time in the late 60's called Rowhedge in Essex. The road came in from Colchester and just petered out into the marshes, end of the line. It still had four pubs mind you and a thriving boatyard, a general store, greengrocers, butchers and a thriving Post Office. That to me was a village, everybody knew everybody. (not that that is a good thing in some respects
) and there was a church Howard.
Regards...Alec.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard, that's a bit harsh - interfere; don't forget that Sue is a District Councillor, responsible for the whole District as well as where she represents.
I don't know if there is a proper definition of a village, but the definition in a dictionary, may be be different from a political definition.
All around Dover are villages with Parish Councils and some areas grow well beyond a village (as has Whitfield), but still retail that status - and proudly so too. Try taking a Parish Council away from where there is one and you'd be shot.
Roger
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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I understand it that the tender has gone to a Company in Ashford. So the Parish Council got rid off a local man who gave years of service and loyalty as the groundsman to save a few pounds and I will be looking to see just how much of a saving.
You are right Sue the Recreation Ground does cost a lot of money but saving on a loyal local tradesman's wage will not put the expenditure costs right. The Recreation ground is one of the Parish Councils main expenditures, if not the main expenditure and if you ask the residents they expect to see its upkeep. I know I will be looking at the A.G.M. to see if they have made any other cost cutting exercises.
Oh and lets not go down the road of the Parish, River is a Parish and we are soon told so if we ask Dover Town Councillors anything.
A company in Ashford
And how many times have we heard on here "GET WHAT YOU NEED LOCALLY".
Time for some people to practice what they preach.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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A wee bit harsh Howard .Roger has put you straight .I never interfere with Dover Town Council .They can have their festivals ,flower shows etc its only at DDC level i have my say as per the screen .Where DDC money is involved .
Harry me old mate please come to the AGM in May we need a few people to challenge .
Howard we have a church ,right opposite the Post Office .also a Methodist Church.Local shops and the rec is our village green We have a very popular local school .River is not all new build WE are seperated from Alkham on the west of the parish and Whitfield to the North .Fields just off Crabble Lane and Minnis lane .We are only joined to Dover By Crabble Hill .Once down CrabbleRoad and it is River ,and its our village .Then you see trees and flowers .
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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The minutes of River Parish Council can be found on their webb site
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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susan
you are still interfering with town matters, would you be happy with a councillor from say st radigunds telling river residents what they can or cannot have?
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incidentally, why are you and your fellow parish councillors spending council tax payers money in ashford?
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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dover town center 1 river 0.tvs that is.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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I have lived in River now for some 12 years and yes it is a Parish but I am a Dovorian through and through as is Sue and I am sure most others that live here in River. So come on, get off your bikes about it being snobbish River is no different to any other Parish with all walks of life living here in the village. Sue is proud of it and why shouldn't she be it a nice area. As I understand it she is a District Councillor so does that not give her the right to comment or is it she can get some Town Councillors a bit hot under the collar.
I think a few of you have twisted this thread to get at Sue and River as a Parish. The tread I thought (please correct me if I am wrong) is about a local groundsman (a dam good one at that) loosing his contract to some firm from Ashford. Getting back to that, I have read the minutes Sue and they tell us nothing at all. Just that one tender out shines the others. Outshines at what, Price, Experience, What? If price I would have thought not enough to warrant throwing away 31 years service and if experience, then surely 31 years of experience would be difficult to out shine.
I think the people of River require a little more information than is given from a closed door meeting than "One tender out shines all the others" Jimmy Cox gave 31 years Loyal service to River Parish Council and deserved better than a letter of thanks"
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Thanks Harry ,you are right this thread has gone off the rails .To night I shall be at the Parish Council meeting and I will raise the issuie re the groudsman .The minutes are not clear and as I pointed out I had to leave the meeting as Im not part of River Parish Council when this was discussed..I have no authority over the Rec at all .I will always give my opions but at the end of the day that is one part of River where the DDC no longer has control
Why people think we at River are snobs beggars belief ,just because a lot of people take pride in their surroundings and try to and improve their lot does not make you into a snob .
Im as down to earth as the next man or to be politically correct woman .
All the time I represent River on the DDC i will try my best to fight for our community .
I have no powers over the Town Council of Dover only when DDC money is involved .
Social Housing Howard and until recently Play Areas .
Dover Town Council sets their own precept and chose to spend as and how they wish .The BIG Screen was a district issuie .
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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would have cheaper for the local chap to do it on a permanant contract.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Brian are you in possesion of all the facts ??I dont have all the facts,which i will try to find out tonight .In the meantime its all rumour and idle chat .Yes Mr Cox has been replaced.He had a further year added to his contract last year .I dont think we can.judge until we know why the new firm out shone him .
If you pay towards our precept unlike Harry and I . I question your motives .
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ive got no motive apart for being an ex riverite,as i said the chap should get a permant contract as in the long run it would work out cheaper in the long run.as a posed to sending out and resiveing tenders in which costs money to proses etc.
DT1- Location: Dover
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Just to get my bit in as this is something that has always amused me, although I appreciate this thread is about the job of the groundsman.
I visit River quite a bit, my grandparents and great grandparents buried in the ground of the church. I also enjoy the Abbey very much, especially with my children; it really is a lovely part of Dover. Every time I pass the sign that says 'drive carefully through the village' I laugh out loud. Village is a real stretch of the imagination, it's Dover! Only due to the topographic nature of Dover is it possible that an area such as this would not be consumed by the natural sprawl of a town. Is Elms Vale a village? it has flowers and trees too! Once upon a time River was a village, but then once upon a time Deptford was a town outside London. It is this resistance to change that seems to be a recurring factor around here!
It does affirm my outlook on social mobility in Dover. River for some reason is still upheld by some as the top end. It comes just after being able to afford a brand new car and just before an extension that serves no real spatial purpose other than a way to have more than your neighbours. "River is a Village" is just like when people say they live in a 'semi-detached'; when in reality it is 'end of terrace'
Can I just add, for what it's worth, that there is no way this side of Judgement Day that I see river as snobbish!!!! Not sure where that idea comes from.............
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i must be missing something here, i have just read through the thread and can find no reference to the residents of river being snobbish.
#33, Sue N, Howard.
