4 November 2009
19:4332401Yep, the United States of Europe is a bit closer to being reality. The President of Europe is on the way. Will the UK get eaten alive by Europe? IS it democratic? Do we want this (it would have been nice to have been asked like the lying scumbag Labour party promised once). We had NO say on it whatsoever. Frankly I'm furious about the whole thing. Who benefits? Big business and political powers for sure, but what about the normal person? What benefit is any of this to us? Who is actually going to govern us in future and will our votes really count for much when a higher power lurks in the background?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2009
20:1232403the so called "lying scumbag labour party" did not sign the maastricht treaty rick.
i think you will find that the blues have surrendered much more power to the european bureaucrats than the reds have.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2009
20:1832405Who ever the fault lays with it's far to late now, No going back.
Prepare to be dictated upon. with no say in anything.
You could say red and blue are all lying scumbags Rick, no one else has been in power. I don't trust any of them.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2009
20:2732407the answer is quite simple, in my view.
we hold a referendum (after a very long and detailed debate)., on whether the population thinks we should leave the EU.
i mean a very long debate, so that everyone knows what the choices are.
i must take my medication, it will never happen, because the commission is a rest home for our politicians when they are given the order of the boot from us.
most of the present mep's are only there because they could not get a winnable seat in the UK.
4 November 2009
20:2932409Nurse, the screens. Howard is talking sense again.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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4 November 2009
20:3932414Perhaps years of Euro rule to come, will launch the creation of the E.R.A.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2009
20:4132416To late for that Bern.
Howard has his inections mid afternoon and by 6pm he becomes very intelligent.
Don't speak to him mid morning in the town unless of course you want a one way conversation.
Sorry Howard.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2009
20:4832421that is before the white cider livens me up ian, after masticating a week old doner kebab i normally need a drink of some sort.
Brian Dixon
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4 November 2009
21:2232428sooooooooooo much negativaty on this thread,how about some POSATIVE thoughts about the benifits we could get from this situation.
lets see what we got for starters,
1,the queen.
2,the goverment.
3our constitution.
4,job security of sorts.
5,free speach.[yes we still got it]
please feel free to add posative thoughts but not negative ones.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2009
21:3332430Yes Brian that is what we have got and they can't take it away.....yet.
It's what they are going to impose on us that worries me.
Think ahead for a change fella and jump out of the tunnel vision.
Your my kinda guy Howie.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 November 2009
21:4632432ian,what tunnel would that be then.i will put it this way the other eu members havent done to bad in the last 8 years now have they,they still have governing goverments banking systems working better than ours along with better guidlines on food etc.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2009
21:4932433brian
their member states have exactly the same problems with banks and much higher unemployment than us.
not sure what you mean by guidelines on food though.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 November 2009
22:0332438howard,france and germany are out of ression along with japan and usa along with a couple of others i cant remember.
food wise,take the humble beefburger the eu recomends 62% meat in the burger,while over here the economy burger contains 47% meat,the humble eco burger resapie contains the following 47%mecanicly recoverd meat,21%beef heart 10%fat cow cheaks ceral binder and seasoning.thats the food guidline howard which one would you eat a burger with 62%meat or a 47% meat one.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2009
22:4432439Oh my god.
Britain is in the S**t and your talking beefburgers.
Get real Brian.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 November 2009
23:2632441Quite right Ian.
We have seen the greatest betrayal of the British people in our history the way Labour (supported by the LibDems) connived to deny the referendum they promised. The one thing the Eurofanatics are worried about is democracy.
This Treaty is very different to all those past for one simple reason, it allows a ratchetting up of EU power at the expense of national governments without the need for a Treaty while setting in place all the basics needed for a single superstate.
It is a financially corrupt, anti-democratic arrogant monster. It has one ambition, a single country one day called Europe.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 November 2009
23:4632443do the blues offer anything different barry?
clearly not, they have taken us down this road, aided and abetted by the reds.
cameron now offers us a referendum on not going any further, no talk of regaining powers whatsoever.
the treaty is intentionally vague and can be interpreted by the brussels people how they like, we will have no say.
5 November 2009
00:0232445This all feels like we've been led into dictatorship of sorts, grabbed by the dog collar and yanked into something with no regard for how we feel about it. By Labour. Sorry but this has happened on Labour's watch, they promised us a referendum and then denied us it, they have handed power to Europe on their own grounds, and frankly they have overstepped the mark in terms of the duties that our elected government should perform. Lying, backstabbing, self-serving scumbags.
It amazes me how the West is so keen to send guns and tanks to the Middle East to spread "democracy" while all the time eroding it at home. When you think long and hard about it, it's akin to the Nazi's grand vision of a Holy Roman Empire - except without a world war to achieve it. Fascism by diplomacy rather than by the rod.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 November 2009
08:1932448OH DEAR
look at the conservatives squirm now, promises promises, and now they aint going to deliver
see as iv been saying all along, people are starting to find out just how false they are
th election a little way off yet, more and more people losing faith with DC and the tories.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 November 2009
08:2632450Keith - it was LABOUR who reneged on their General Election promise.
A referendum on Lisbon would be pointless as it is now law. Only Labour had the opportunity to provide the referendum and they did not do so desite being elected on a pledge to do so.
Cameron has been clear all along that the postion would be different if Labour got their way over this Treaty. He is at least not going into the next election on a lie of a referendum promise that would be pointless.
What is laughable is this co-ordinated attempt by Labour to cover up their guiilt and transfer it to Cameron. That is what is at the root of Keiths silly comments.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 November 2009
08:3232451BARRYW
Im jusyt reproducing the views of many non voters in the District, who were seriously thinking of voting for your lot, not now though, they can see your lot have sold them out