Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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6 November 2009
10:4532531Keith is often fond of quoting his interpretation on what people are thinking with no evidence to back it up. Including in this thread.
Here is a poll on the new EU policy, Keith. A somewhat better basis than what you think people are thinking...
http://page.politicshome.com/uk/public_demand_new_referendum_on_europe.html
The interesting points are that the majority consider the change in policy to be a sensible adaption to new circumstances and the support for the Sovereignity Bill announced as policy. The pro-referendum stance is also favourable to DC because that will be built into the Sovereignity Bill regarding any further moves towards integration.
Brian Dixon
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6 November 2009
18:1932543barryw,the sovereignity bill is a joke,so much so the french are wetting themselves with laughter they think its hilerious.
roger,rather kiss european rear ends,at least i know where its been.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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6 November 2009
18:2532544i get the impression that this thread is going downhill rapidly.
best to keep it as factual as we can, i have not read the sovereignty bill yet, i have a feeling that it will be ineffectual against the weight of the brussels bureacrats.
the threat of the uk holding a referendum may well frighten them into making radical changes that leave us to make crucial decisions about ourselves.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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6 November 2009
18:3132545howard,i was stateing fact about the french read the report on internet news provider.and futhermore how many times have been promised a referendum only to be let down.as far as im concernded we wont get one and never will.if we do i will stick my hand in my pocket and buy you and paulb a cup of tea and a blue cake for barryw.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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6 November 2009
18:5532552There is one big difference, Brian. After the next election we will have the most Eurosceptic Prime Minister since the EU was formulated from the EC and the most Eurosceptic Parliament since the accession of the UK to the EEC.
As I said, we have a different ball game...
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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6 November 2009
19:0032554maybe so,but the new goverment [tories] will be a laughing stock of europe.why not work with europe instead of working against it.it will be like swimming against the tide and getting nowhere fast.
Ross Miller
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6 November 2009
20:1832566Barry that is one view, the City seems to be taking the view that a hung parliament is now a distinct possibility, particularly given the recent utternaces from DC and GO.
My own view is that Labour are guilty of going back on an election mandate promise, because Blair and Brown thought they would curry favour with their European counterparts by doing so - pillocks. However, the Conservatives are now guilty of sidelining themselves and by extension the UK in the debate over the future of Europe by alienating those self same European counterparts.
What we need is a strong government that will work with our European colleagues to tame the worst excesses of the Commission, whilst at the same time empowering the European parliament (it really can make a difference), fighting for a more equitable settlement and seeking better more transparent checks and balances.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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6 November 2009
21:0932568ross,
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 November 2009
01:1732572Ross - the whole point is that we simply do not believe in the EU project at all, consider it to be a dangerous and undesirable direction to go in and believe we need to stand up for Britains interests which is not to proceed lemming like in their topheavy interfering high taxation style of government.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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7 November 2009
07:2732574barryw,are we talking BRITISH goverment here.you will find that european taxation is at a lower level than ours,hence we goy the tietal of rip of britan.there is a wide range of goods in europe that have a lot less taxation on than over here in the uk.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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7 November 2009
09:1932577Barrryw
We have been here so many times before, and even you after all those election defeats wanted to dlowly bring you down to earth!!
on the real issue of the peoples vote on europe, promised by the tories, now withdrawn!!! people feel let down by the tories and rightly so.
Whilst the labour party not been perfect on this issue, the tories were promising this referendum and this latest departure is no more than pulling the carpet from under the people, thats how the everyday person sees it.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 November 2009
10:0632582Stop this pretence Keith. Polling evidence shows Labour's smokescreeen has not worked, the public know who reneged on their election promise and the Conservatives now face a changed circumstance thanks to Labours dishonesty.
Brian - what you say isnt exactly true, comparing tax rates is not a straightforward matter. of comparing rates. Britain's now penal tax rates are entirely down to Labour. The fact is the thinking driving the EU is 'socialistic' in direction and that is inherantly big government, high interference and high taxes.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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7 November 2009
16:5532597barryw,let me tell you a true story here.a couple of years ago i was comming back from a day trip from france,got talking to a couple who where driving from denmark with two yes 2 top of the range volkeswagens which they purchased in denmark.with the cost of the 2 cars petrol,inport duty,vat,ferry ticket 1 way etc still saved money.they compared the price of each individual car the bitish version was just over a third dearer than the two they brought this was down to british taxation on the cars.with the money saved they payed for an extention on there house.why dont you conpare the price of your new car on the european mainland and see the differance yourself.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 November 2009
17:0732604has always been that way brian, not so much now because of the exchange rates.
interesting that you think that getting a few bob off of a new car is a good price to pay for handing over the country to someone else.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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7 November 2009
17:3132607just taking the avantage of whats on offer howard,unlike some one we both know.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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7 November 2009
17:3332608futher more nothing to with exchange rates just lower tax rates despite what barry says.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 November 2009
17:5332609Personal imports have always been cheaper Brian. You can't use that as an example for joining the Euro or staying in Europe.
If the Lisbon Treaty/European Constitution hadn't been ratified Keith, you can be sure the Conservatives would have had a referendum.
What's the point in having a referendum on the Treaty if is is already law ? exactly, none.
Let's try and get rid of the worst excesses - or leave altogether.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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7 November 2009
18:0532610brian
any lower tax rate is affected by the current exchange rate, the cheap imported cars were around before the euro was even thought of.
roger
we will never know now whether the blues would have held a referendum.
the worst excesses you refer to are a fact of life, gthere is nothing any uk governemnt can do about it from now on.
we either carry on as we are or hold a referendum on whether we leave the european union.
none of our politicians are brave enough (just like the other countries in the union), to actually do so.
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7 November 2009
21:2232622HOWARD
Your right on this one, what disgusts people not of labour persuasion, was the tories smokescreen, they gave the impression they were going to have a referendum no matter what, clearly they never had that intention at all.
bring on the election
DC has never looked so bad
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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8 November 2009
07:5532630That is simply not true Keith and you know it. Stop trying to make the Conservatives the bad-boys.
Labour reneged on holding a referendum even when it could have been changed (because they knew it would be a NO), now it can't be changed come what may, there's no point in holding one - even you can see that I'm sure.
It would have been a waste of time and money.
Roger
