Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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5 November 2009
08:3532454BarryW
Bill Cash was very angry at Cameron going back on his promise for a referendum.He said at least the labour govt under Harold Wilson gave the electorate a referendum on whether we should remain in the EEC and thats what DC should do now.He also intimated that some back bench Tory MPs were not going to let this matter 'lay'.
I don't think we have heard the last on this matter yet!
On CentreRight, "BrugesGroup" called for the Bill Cash, the Euro-sceptic backbencher, to become Tory leader, saying: We have said it before and will say it again......David Cameron cannot be trusted.
DAVID CAMERON OUT........BILL CASH IN"
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 November 2009
08:3832456The beginning of the end of the tories wow now thats a thought
Brian Dixon
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5 November 2009
08:4632459rick/barryw would you be saying the same thing if the tories took us down the same road.no you wouldnt,you would be bigging it up saying that its the best thing since sliced bread.
i cant see cameron getting power at the next election either,the reason being he seems to be dithering and floundering like a fish out of water.personly i can see a change of leadership at the top in the next 6 months.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 November 2009
10:5032465I have posted on my blog about the first serious and unemotional analysis of the new Conservative policy and if it is right this will be far more effective in achieving the aims of all Eurosceptics than a pointless and ineffective post-ratification Treaty. Dont take too much notice of the odd die-hard either, I like Bill Cash and agree with him totally about the EU, but he needs to sit back and be more thoughtful about this. Ultimately its results that count.
Here is the full link to to the post that I was unable to put on my blog.
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/11/the-triumph-of-euroscepticism.html
Brian - what road exactly are you talking about? Rick and I agree the EU is an undemocratic monster. The only issue of debate between Rick and I and the vast majority of the Conservative Party and supporters is just what is the most effective and practical way to tame the EU beast. DC will be PM after the next election, no serious political observer expects anything different.
5 November 2009
11:1832466I agree with Rick in that we seem to be in a dictatorial Europe rather than a Diplomatic Europe. My father a WWII Lancaster crewmember gave his life like so many others for our freedom that we shall be remembering today.
Labour failed with its manifesto promise of a referendum and reflects the current dictatorial situation in this country-- any wonder why Gordon and his team were only too pleased to join up with the Bully Boys of Europe.
Having said this it is becoming evident that none of the major parties are listening to the public and this will only strengthen the minor parties share of the vote at the next election.
The real issues are to get this country back on its feet. Yes irrespective who gets in next time there will be huge tax increases to get our horific debt burden down but none of the major parties seem to be prepared on the issues that are of concern viz Social Payments out of control, Immigration uncontrolled (and now likely to be worse if controlled from Bruxelles).
Our postal mess is due to EU policy and as we fail to control our destininy things will get worse.
We are all wanting the hospital for Dover (£20m or so) and yet we paid child benefits to EU residents working here but families in their own country. Last year this amounted to 50586 claims. Poland was 37,941 at a cost of £24m
It is this type of drain on our economy that needs to stop and concentrate on "charity begins at home" and will not be achieved by control from the EU
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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5 November 2009
14:0132471How does Brussels tell a starving person on this planet, that they`ve been dumping millions of tons of food away because it`s the wrong shape, or not big enough. That is my hate and contempt for those euro fatcats, and a European state!!!!!!!!!!
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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5 November 2009
17:3732473barryw,the road to redemption where we will spared the indignaty of having a goverment kissing obamas rear end and standing on our two feet for a change,allso to move forward rather than backwards.
at the presant moment of time wiyh nothing in place other than a piece of paper signed by 27 countrys, the eurosceptics and others are scare mongering to frightning people that nasty europe our out to get us for every penny they can grab.futher more the only bully here are the eurosecptics and scare mongering people like yourself.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 November 2009
17:5332477Read what Louise Bagshaw (the novellist and now a Conservative candidate says) This is pretty much the mood among the mainstream Eurosceptic Conservatives.
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/11/the-honourable-resignation-of-dan-hannan.htmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 November 2009
18:0632479that is not enough barry, it appears that the back benchers want what most of the country wants, but the leadership thinks otherwise.
i doubt whether it will be an election issue, most people do not vote on such things, the problem is that the backbenchers will probably go to heel because an election is looming, then afterwards try to overthrow the leadership.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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5 November 2009
18:1332480if not,before the election.i can see a back bench revolt sooner rather than later.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 November 2009
19:0732481You both could not be more wrong. Remember, I speak as a Party member who is keen to get us out of the EU all together, my view of the EU is very much in line with Dan Hannen's.
You ignore also the fact that DC is himself a firm Eurosceptic, not someone apart from the main body of opinion as Major was.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 November 2009
19:5932486just occurred to me, hannan has resigned from the front bench in brussels, how much money will he be down by?
the prince regent can be whatever he likes, eurosceptic is just a word.
what he does is what the public and this back benchers will judge him on.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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6 November 2009
07:4032500Brian, you mentioned the indignity of kissing Barack Obama's rear-end; well, we kiss the rear end of the Brussels Beaurocrats and every other Eurocrat and Leader, every day.
We are a net contributor by many billions of pounds, so how do you work out we'd be better to stay in and kow-tow to Europe ?
We wouldn't stop trading with Europe, they wouldn't start a war with us if we're not in it; they couldn't bully us any more than they do now, so what's your beef about staying in and getting further in ?
Roger
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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6 November 2009
08:2032505Think now we are in there we should make the most of what we have, I cannot see pulling out doing us any good at all, in fact I can see it being very damaging to our finances/trade etc, to think otherwise is looking through rose tinted glasses.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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6 November 2009
08:2432507I liked one report in a newspaper where it said that Cameron was the only party leader in history to break an election promise (over the referendum) before actually getting elected!!!
Made me chuckle
Marek
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Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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6 November 2009
08:2632509aND MAREK think theres many more to come, think clocks ticking for him, don't think hes there long, can see a ledership challenge soon
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6 November 2009
08:3632513Keith
You may be right but if there were to be a leadership challenge it would devastate the Tories chances at the next election.Even Old Hessletine is forecasting a hung parliament.
Marek
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Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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6 November 2009
08:3832514Which is what iv been saying all along, in the REAL world people dont trust the tory party, thus Hestletine is probably right
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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6 November 2009
09:1032520marek/keith good points there.the tories are know dead in the water over creadabilaty.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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6 November 2009
10:3432529Keith, Marek, Brian. Dream on, Labour wont be saved by any kind of leadership problems or challenge. You are so way off the mark it is simply laughable.