howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 November 2009
18:3632788the 32% was spread fairly evenly over the minor parties brian.
apparently the 1% fall in the main parties share was due to them not being trusted over the europe issue.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 November 2009
20:2532794the 1% fall is well within the margin of error, Howard and statistically insignificant.
There is other more detailed polling on the EU issue itself, I did provide some links in an earlier post on this thread and will not repeat that again.
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10 November 2009
20:5932797BAZ
All i want are politicians true to there word
DC and the tories aint going to provide this.
Baz; I hope you don't come back to earth with a bump, at the end of the day the UK IS to much to play politics with.
A hung parlianment making all parties talk to each other is what most people would want
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 November 2009
22:3932804keith - you have said that before and ignore that brown and Blair lied in the elcetion about holding a referendum.
I challenge you to be up front and honest - condemn Brown and Blair for reneging on their election promise. For you to fail to do so would be hypocrytical in the extreme.
Brian Dixon
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11 November 2009
08:1932810the same could be said cameron but hey who gives a damm.
if a referendum is needed which it dosent,why not have one on more inportant issues like should we ban the smoking ban,fox hunting and all the nanny state stuff thats happend over the last 25 years.you might get a better turn out than the one you want for europe.
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11 November 2009
08:4832816The smoking Ban, Fox Hunting etc. and the increase in the Nanny State has only come in the last 12/13 years Brian.
Don't forget the Conservatives want small government, "big" people - localism, where the decisons are made closer to home.
So you agree Brian, the referendum is not now needed ?
Did you think there never should have been one on the Constitution or Treaty Brian ? that the British people were not bright enough to know what they wanted ? or, more to the point, they would vote a different way to the one the Labour Government wanted ?
The Tories always said they would have a referendum if the treaty wasn't ratified; it is now, so it's a different ball-game and the question(s) would be different now.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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11 November 2009
17:3032832roger,its to late to have a referendum on europe its been ratified.but we need to sort the nanny state laws sorted a referendum would sort these out.as for rewording the one for europe i cant see no point in it as it would be a waste of time and money.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2009
17:5632838the referendum on the treaty is pointless brian.
the referendum on whether we stay in the EU is a different thing altogether.
on the other hand, it is exactly the same, because we are not going to get either.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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11 November 2009
18:1432843howard,what are you like.whats the point of having a referendum about coming out when we only just got the damm thing ratified.as i said its a pointless exersise.we need to get our house sorted out first before any thing else is sorted.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2009
20:0932847we have not ratified anything brian, politicians throughout europe(old and new) have pushed things through.
any country out of the 27 can elect to come out whenever it likes, i think it would be nice if we were the first.
my personal forecast is that it will be one of the east european states, when they find out that the freebies run low, a second choice would be denmark or the republic of ireland, purely because their geographical positions mean that they are never in the centre of things.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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11 November 2009
20:1632849howard,i think you will find that both gordan brown and the milliband chap has signed the treaty.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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11 November 2009
20:2132851right a thanks is in order,firstly i would like to thank edward heath and the concervatives for having the forsight in signing up to the eec,secondly i would like to thank gordan brown and the labour party allso having the forsight in signing the lisbon treaty.
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12 November 2009
09:1832875I don't think any kind of thanks are in order Brian, all the way through, we have been told lies about the long-term intentions of this Europe monster; whether those lies were told to us by Labour or Conservative Prime Ministers is now irrelevant.
The final choice for the British people was offered by Tony Blair and Gordon Brown as a pre-election promise, but they knew then, that they would never allow the British people to have a vote, because they know the majority would have voted no. That is basic dishonesty.
When I voted yes back in the 70's it was to be with trading partners, not for a federal europe.
Roger
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12 November 2009
09:3432877Howard is right, the UK has no long term future as part of the EU. Who will be first out, who knows, the sooner we are out the better.
There is one good thing about Lisbon - it offers a way out of the EU...
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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12 November 2009
16:5232898so the tories are running scard,never mind its time to grow up and face your monsters.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 November 2009
17:2632904Actually, most of us Tories would love to slay that EU monster once and for all....
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 November 2009
17:3232908The Conservatives have never been "running scared" Brian.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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12 November 2009
17:4332909roger/barryw,not the way that i and other people see it.cameron/osborne have no answers to it,only half truths and broken promisises.
Ross Miller
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14 November 2009
12:3033072Barry, why do you believe there is no long term future for the UK in the EU? Oh and please avoid the political polemic in the response, just practical reasons.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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14 November 2009
18:3833112Ross, there is an increase in anti-EU feeling in the population as a whole and the next Government will be the first since 1973 and our entry into the EEC, that we will have a true Eurosceptic Government. Even Mrs T was a minority in her Government and was pushed in the EU direction by the old Europhiles, while the Party as a whole became ever more disenchanted with the EU. Now the Europhiles are at the disadvantage as a tiny minority and hold few prominent postions.
The Lisbon settlement creates the environment in which the EU can push its agenda further without national agreement than ever before. They are likely to pause for a while before doing so in order to digest the changes. But then they will start again on their integrationalist agenda and it cannot fail to further enrage the British public more and more.
All in all I suspect the Lisbon treaty will be shown to be the beginning of the end for the EU for the UK and other countries as well. It will be seen eventually to be the first step towards our exit. It may take some time but I believe it is almost inevitable now.