Brian Dixon
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I've got one have you
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#2860 Surely you're not advocating violence in the streets, Cap'n? My mind goes back to the P&O seamen's strike in the 1980s. Sir Jeffrey Sterling ( as he then was) concluding his management briefing with the words "and don't worry about any violence on the streets - the police will deal with that, I can assure you".
That's the good old Tory spirit we'll need if the 2nd referendum results in a remain vote. Think back to the miner's strike too. All good Tories knew how to deal with street protests in those days.
Captain Haddock
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ray hutstone wrote:Surely you're not advocating violence in the streets, Cap'n?
I was thinking more along the lines of the trouble free 'Countryside March' of 2002.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Blimey. What a day that was. As the dust settles, it does appear that the Grieve amendment is actually quite helpful to the PM, in so far as it makes it much less likely that we'll leave without a deal.
What has surprised me is how ineffective the ERG looks all of a sudden - clear contempt for Boris yesterday and a failed attempt to toppled the PM - I just wonder whether they have the numbers they think they do and if not, now might be the time to start climbing down from the fantasy no deal position.....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I said a couple of weeks back that Boris and JRM had gone quiet and yesterday the latter said that the vote would be very close despite predictions of a defeat of around 90 - 100 being mooted. Sounds to me like many of the rebel MPs are pulling back from the brink and don't want to take the chance of losing their seat in a snap General Election.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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What I can work out so far is that Northern Ireland will remain in the Single Market and Customs Union but the rest of us won't and the backstop can only be ended by mutual agreement by us and the EU.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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so dose revoking article 50, may be next week fingers crossed.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We can revoke Article 50 on our own according to a legal expert Brian.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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but we can wait until next Tuesday the 11th cant we howard.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#2866 I can understand your bewilderment but that is exactly what Mrs.May's withdrawal agreement states. And the arrangement will remain in perpetuity unless or until a new trading agreement is implemented or the backstop is annulled with the agreement of both the EU and the UK.
Lucky Northern Ireland (unless you happen to drag knuckles with the DUP).
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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they are ray, like a bunch of gorillas.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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PatrickS
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Why would any sane Government/Country enter into a legally binding agreement where the other party has enduring control of the former’s laws, judgements, tariffs, trade and immigration.
Only an idiot would agree to that.
This has little or nothing to do with the PM’s deal and whether it is good, bad, indifferent or the only option available. It is just pure common sense unless of course one believes in a Federal European State. Now there’s a thought!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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if it comes to a public vote so be it.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Interesting reading yesterday along the lines of the Government being fairly relaxed about the Benn amendment passing (i.e. we cannot leave without a deal etc.), as if it does, the Government's own motion on the bill would automatically be defeated and no longer voted on. In other words, the PM would suffer a narrower defeat via that route than putting her own deal to a vote (which could lose by three figures).
I guess the rationale being that she could then 'blame' a labour amendment for the defeat and try and make the case that she hasn't lost her own party. Of course, it's all presentational but I can see some logic in an illogical world.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The latest now is that the PM is being pressurised into postponing the vote if it looks like a heavy defeat is on the cards, I can't see any different result if it is held in a month's time though. Just to complicate things further she is due in Brussels on the 13th when it is expected that Article 50 will be extended.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times.
A group of Labour and Tory MPs are attempting to take control of the Brexit process if Theresa May’s deal is voted down next week. The move would be likely to result in a softer version of Brexit, with senior Conservatives claiming that there is a Commons majority for a permanent Norway-style customs deal. With the prime minister widely expected in Westminster to lose the vote on her deal on Tuesday, rival camps are jostling to be in position when she is forced to scramble together a Plan B.
Cabinet ministers have begun discussing the idea of cross-party co-operation in the hope of bouncing Mrs May into accepting a softer Brexit deal next week. “It’s true that senior ministers are sounding people out on what happens in the immediate aftermath of a defeat,” one senior MP said. “Ordinarily the cabinet secretary would call in the party leaders but that’s not going to happen so the senior civil service will be working out what to do instead.”
The prospect of Remain-supporting Tories teaming up with Labour to steer the direction of Brexit planning has created panic among hardline Leavers. Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, who campaigned for Leave, said: “There is a real danger that the House of Commons, which has a natural Remain majority, may attempt to steal Brexit from the British people. Which I think would be a democratic affront.” Chris Grayling, the transport secretary, urged fellow Brexiteers to back the prime minister or risk losing Brexit altogether. “What people on the Brexit side of the argument particularly need to ask themselves is are we prepared to put in danger leaving the European Union, after votes in the House of Commons which clearly try and put greater shackles on the government when it comes to Brexit?” he said.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Personally I've given up trying to foretell what might happen next.
Here's the Mail's version anyway:-
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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This will put the cat amongst the budgies, the PM races round the country to sell her deal and only two constituencies bite whilst 600 now want to remain in the evil empire.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-latest-theresa-may-parliament-backing-constituency-eu-a8670726.htmlCaptain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Staying in the EU gains 46 per cent of national support, while Ms May's deal and no deal were level on 27 per cent each, the poll found.
Or to put it another way 54% of people wish to leave the EU one way or the other?
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"