howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The latest rumour is that the ERG group are thinking of setting up a new party but their organisational skills are pretty dire, it took long enough to get the 48 letters in. We know that Farage is doing likewise with big money backers and he has the nous that JRM and chums don't appear to have so maybe Nigel's new set up could start with a number of ready made MPs?
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,821
Good grief not another new party why don't these ERG group amalgamate with UKIP, I thought both groups wanted the same result. Maybe at the moment UKIP is regarded as to much of an extremist right wing group.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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UKIP and For Britain are just home to oddballs that think a Muslim is under their bed wearing a suicide vest. Our Nation is run by Henry Notlob and their main argument seems to be that they are not UKIP. I can see the logic of ERG who would be prepared to bring the Government down to get their own way on Brexit.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Very happy to leave 29th March& trade on WTO terms. Bag the £39b . The Swiss just signed up a deal today irrespective of Leaving or Staying in. Euro economy flat & French going into negative territory. ECB switching off the money supply. The Irish are the problem but leaving without a deal will stuff them as UK a major market. Traffic will flow , it affects both sides of Channel.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,235
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:UKIP and For Britain are just home to oddballs that think a Muslim is under their bed wearing a suicide vest.
I keep mine in the cupboard, far more civilised and keeps the dog hairs of the burqa!
Arte et Marte
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
paul, don't worry about arseclean foster she will get over it when Maggie may 4 billion quid.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
I also noticed that Brexit pubic people have taken up the French protesters idea of wearing yellow vest and blocking tower bridge.
Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 1,934
How can you seriously negotiate with a drunkard and lose?!
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Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Apparently his real name is Jean-Claude Drunker but his parents were inebriated when they went to register his birth.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,865
Trouble is now T may can't win whatever she does or in her case doesn't do
It's a mess
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
# 2944 Yet another gullible victim of the belief that if we jump off the cliff and just flap our arms we'll be fine. Oh well. Keep on believing in your fantasy world. Have you even read the Council's own report on a no deal brexit? Nothing will change your mind regardless of how much the evidence is stacked against you.
Fortunately, your fellow believers are in a minority even in the commons. They do have the law on their side at the moment though. Come 11pm on March 29th we crash out unless our idiotic politicians come to the country's aid at the last minute. We can only hope. God help us. More relevantly, let's hope that God will help our children and their children.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
There are still many who think that on March 30 the French will simply wave our trucks through without the need to see customs declarations and supporting paperwork as any delays would hurt them as much as us. If this is true then why have France Belgium and Holland(probably others) been hiring and training up customs officers in unprecedented numbers?
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,033
Some time ago I bemoaned the lack of definitions for 'soft' and 'hard' Brexit; now we have a new term: 'no deal' Brexit. Does this mean no deal with the EU, or no deal with anyone?
If it means no deal with anyone, then the EU will require for each UK export consignment going into Calais: a safety and security declaration submitted (from the UK, collated by the ferry operator) at least 2 hours in advance of arrival there, an EU import declaration (submitted from the EU Member State of consumption) and a Transit declaration (submitted from France) if the goods are going to a Member State other than France. That's without UK export formalities.
Don't believe me? Ask any of our local freight agents!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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So many people think it will all run smoothly like it did before 1993, they have a big shock coming.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:So many people think it will all run smoothly like it did before 1993, they have a big shock coming.
...............or before 1938 Howard when a certain European was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize and we all know how that turned out. He was also ‘friends’ with Nevill Chamberlain our P M for 3 years.
An extract from an online arcticle:
Hitler’s “soft spot” for Chamberlain reminds me of Alice’s Walrus who tricked a bunch of oysters to come with him and his friend, the Carpenter, for a pleasant walk and talk on a briny beach only to feast on them.
“I weep for you,” the Walrus said:
“I deeply sympathize.”
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
SWWood- Location: Dover
- Registered: 30 May 2012
- Posts: 261
howard mcsweeney1 wrote:So many people think it will all run smoothly like it did before 1993, they have a big shock coming.
Was it really only three years ago that some were claiming everything would be simple because
"they sell us more than we sell them"?
Anyone interested in a long read (I know some are bored with Brexit now), might find this interesting:
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/
Sir Ivan Rogers was once the UK's Permanent Represetative to the EU, and knows the organisation inside out. He explains clearly why we find ourselves our current predicament, and is pretty scathing of Brexiteers and Remainers alike. He also goes into some detail into the critical mistakes that have been made so far, and the uncomfortable decisions we now face.
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,698
Thanks, that was a superb read and confirmed most of the conclusions I had reached over the clusterf***/ominshambles that is the UKs current Brexit position.
I am less bothered than Rogers is about the prospect of a second "peoples vote" with the option of revoke Article 50, but I do agree that we need to see much more honesty and transparency from our parliamentarians.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,821
Ross Miller wrote: I do agree that we need to see much more honesty and transparency from our parliamentarians.
Are you hoping for a miracle Ross
, unfortunately the words "honesty" and "transparency" are not allowed in political circles.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Revoking or postponing article 50 should now be parliament's highest priority. This is the only way to stop the knuckledraggers of the ERG leading us blindly in to a Brexit cliff fall. It's simply not safe merely to assume that parliament will not allow it. Legislation is needed to guarantee that.
As the article implies, we are in this position because article 50 was prematurely invoked and then slavishly support by our so-called opposition. Had Corbyn had the perspicacity and strength to stand up to this headlong rush in the first place, then there's a good chance that we would not be in this stasis now.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,033
Since it's open season on adjectives...
Fairytale in Brussels
I'm dreaming of a white Brexit -
The EU pays to let us go!
Where Council and Commission
Say you don't need transition -
We'll keep your lorries on the go!
Well, what did you expect, the Gloria Gaynor classic "You won't survive"?
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