howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There are so many holes in this article and there will be major delays but 8 hours to clear each truck is just scaremongering.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/11/dover-checks-would-take-eight-hours-per-lorry-in-no-deal-brexitBrian Dixon
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spoke to a couple of lorry drivers that I know, the article is not far wrong. 4/5 hours in dover if customs want to look right in side, which unloading most oh the load, not to bad if they are artics with side curtains evan worse for ones who haven't got them. then there is a few hours of checks at every border to contend with.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon wrote:spoke to a couple of lorry drivers that I know, the article is not far wrong. 4/5 hours in dover if customs want to look right in side, which unloading most oh the load, not to bad if they are artics with side curtains evan worse for ones who haven't got them. then there is a few hours of checks at every border to contend with.
I don't doubt that Brian but it is only a small percentage that are physically checked, the article is about paperwork only causing big delays.
Button
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I'm with Mr McS on this - the average groupage load through Dover was never 400 consignments in my day and I doubt it's changed.
Having said that, it's all about queuing theory - truck 2 waits twice as long to be declared as truck 1, and so on. Clearance at the border, UK import and export and EU export and import (or commencing a Transit movement) are just out of the question. The solution, worse than now but the best to be had, is clearance at premises and hubs - in both directions.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I think the RHA have come out with these ludicrous figures as they have had no response from HMG to their obvious concerns. The bit about the retailer with 8000 consignments in one truck is a red halibut as the consignor in future would do one invoice to the consignee with a packing list and once cleared the retailer would arrange delivery to the various shops. There is no way anyone would pay for 8000 import entries.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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Button, twice as long doesn't follow, as it surely depends on
rate of arrivals into the queue which will depend on traffic volumes, proximity to sailing times, time of day etc.
the number of service agents in the queueing system (node) &
the speed of each transaction (from queue to departure of the node) - which if I understand this correctly can vary from a comparatively short duration to carry out a document check up to multiple hours for a full manifest check
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Button- Location: Dover
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Ross: yes, you're right too. The principal/"standard" bottleneck is producing the declaration, not processing it - and the local agent community has shrunk to match current volumes of non-EU traffic, let's say 10% of total traffic. Even were there to be some slack in the system, it cannot currently cover 90% of traffic. That's really what I meant by truck 1, 2 and so on; once all agents are occupied, the "next" truck waits (even if not physically present) for the time taken to prepare both it and the one in front.
Absolutely worse is the UK perception that UK export declarations must be re-processed all over again when outbound trucks reach Dover Eastern Docks - island mentality gone mad.
The Straits should be treated as a land boundary with minimal input from ferry operators (who have next to no commercial interest in truck loads), because otherwise check-in queues (to quiz the driver in real-time and form a laughable freight manifest) really will make your eyes water!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the way things are going, Brexit will not happen in the short term. what with a no confidance yote today and a possible gerael eletion after the Christmas break. article 50 be revoked sooner rather than later.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Not sure about it being revoked Brian but certainly a strong case for extending it. The PM cannot cancel this evening's vote so will face the 1922 committee and give a leaving date from no. 10 which would likely guarantee her job is safe for now. My guess is that the EU would agree an extension of 6 months or a year as some member states think they can bleed us even more.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yep, I think that's a non starter howard, not from an indie any way.
we have got the go ahead from Europe in any case. article 50 that is.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Usual fatuous guff from Elphicke. From a pre-referendum remainer, he now seems to have allied himself fully to the ERG. I wonder if that's because he thinks it will stand him in better stead if he has to contest the next election as an independent?
There are plenty of people in this fair town of ours who understand only too well how disastrous a no deal crash out of the EU will be.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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its already having an effect ray, the euro and us doller have hit a low.the euro for example, all you get now for your quid is now 1.75 euro. a few weeks ago you could get 1,12 euros to the pound.
Captain Haddock
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From the Spectator:-
Strip Brexit - in which an article of clothing is discarded for every mention of the EU - while unsuitable for family occasions, is becoming a popular dinner-party game.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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looks like a no deal bodged Brexit. some thing or some one has to give,
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Just going through the motions now with the PM not actually making any demands and the EU accepting that the deal will not be passed in the Commons will set out plans for a no deal next Wednesday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46560807Weird Granny Slater
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You've got to hand it to her, she's handed it to them.
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Jan Higgins
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An interesting snippet that I saw on this mornings news was that apparently when negotiating we asked the EU what they wanted rather than us telling them what we wanted. (BBC1 I think it was Juncker)
No wonder it ended up such a mess with our inept lot virtually going cap in hand rather than going for the kill at the start.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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