howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The PM is now expected to win her vote next week which will leave her free to concentrate on domestic policies,
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Some do not take Seaborne seriously and tend to mock their efforts but they now show they mean business by appointing their first Ship's Master.
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Brian Dixon
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#3142, do you mean she will have to do her own washing up, then carrying washing mr mays smalls. lol
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Never thought I would say this but I am beginning to feel sorry for the hapless Grayling.
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William Hague writing in the Telegraph.
To pass her Brexit deal through the House of Commons, Theresa May needs a balance of terror among those who favour rival outcomes. She needs hardline Brexiteers to worry that if they don’t vote with her, Brexit won’t happen at all, and some ardent Remainers to think that unless they support her, Britain will “crash out” of the EU without a deal. Her problem is that, far from such a balance of terror existing, the very opposite prevails – a kind of equilibrium of complacency. Each set of opponents is smugly confident that, once her deal is voted down, their own view will prevail. The new year has been marked by all of them claiming fresh support and optimism.
Advocates of a second referendum have released a poll showing ever more people demanding one. Those who want the “Norway option” claim momentum behind them. And some who are relaxed about a no-deal outcome say the support for it is growing. With all groups, except the Cabinet, believing they are in a stronger position, it is no wonder that the parliamentary numbers have shown little sign so far of shifting. While there is indeed enthusiasm for each of these options, it cannot be true that all of them are simultaneously improving their chances of getting what they want. Somebody, somewhere, is obviously making a big mistake, but who is it? In particular I worry that my former colleagues on the Conservative benches, and many activists in their constituencies, are misjudging both the consequences of a no-deal Brexit and the chances of bringing it about.
The readiness to embrace this is understandable. Two years of maddening negotiations gives rise to a feeling of “let’s just go!” The apparent refusal of the EU to give legally binding assurances on the use of the Irish backstop reinforces the desire to walk away from it. The idea of telling Brussels we will not give them any money or obey any of their rules after March 29 is no small attraction. Since our referendum in 2016, the Italians have lurched to populism, the French have taken to the barricades, the Germans entered a political paralysis and Jean-Claude Juncker has become even more the caricature of an out-of-touch Commission.
Dire forecasts are easy to greet with mirth, as my old friend Boris did very effectively in these pages on Monday. Shortages of Mars bars are not frightening to the electorate. The Bank of England has foretold a deep recession, but suffers from previous inaccurate warnings, and its assumption that it would raise interest rates sharply, which no one believes, however true it might be. In the meantime, many financial firms have already prepared for a no-deal outcome, and the EU has started to announce measures it would take to keep flights in the air and the access of its banks to City markets.
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Captain Haddock
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Glad to see William Hague is joining Rory Stewart on the pragmatic side of the Brexit impasse and sees May's Deal as the 'Nash Equilibrium' position.
In passing I thought Brexit.:The Uncivil War last night was excellent (Guardian gave it only two stars!). Here it is on catch-up TV.
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/brexit-the-uncivil-war"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Uncivil sums up a lot of behaviour since the referendum, I can't see the sort of invective aimed at Ms Soubry yesterday as remotely acceptable, surely people can be charged with breach of the peace if nothing else?
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Uncivil sums up a lot of behaviour since the referendum
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Jan Higgins
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So the above person (I can not use my word of choice) believes that only a Labour supporter is allowed to go out without being verbally assaulted.
Democracy is no longer allowed seems to be his or is it now the Labour mantra.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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There is a world of difference between non-violent direct action and what has been taking place outside the Commons recently. Democracy now longer allowed? Oh, please....
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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I qoute, no tory mp or mp no coalition can travel any where in the country.un quote. did you miss that bit jan.
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Reginald Barrington
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ray hutstone wrote:There is a world of difference between non-violent direct action and what has been taking place outside the Commons recently. Democracy now longer allowed? Oh, please....
What's happening outside parliament is exactly what he meant, it is non-violent direct action, its vile and wrong but sounds as if you are condoning it as long as they don't throw punches. Or have they changed the definition of non-violent, just wondering?
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The incident yesterday was not an isolated one, MPs are complaining of harassment when trying to give interviews outside. This has been going on for at least a year and women MPs have borne the brunt. The rise of social media has seen unprecedented abuse with most female MPs complaining of rape threats and in don't see any slackening off in the near future. Things could get worse after the 30th of March as whatever happens the lunatic fringe will shout "Treason".
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The Red Roar
@TheRedRoar
19m19 minutes ago
BREAKING: Jeremy Corbyn due to deliver a big speech on Brexit this Thursday in Yorkshire. Senior figures in his office are said to be increasingly worried about how Labour's Remain-supporting membership will react.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:The Red Roar
@TheRedRoar
19m19 minutes ago
BREAKING: Jeremy Corbyn due to deliver a big speech on Brexit this Thursday in Yorkshire. Senior figures in his office are said to be increasingly worried about how Labour's Remain-supporting membership will react.
Shrewd move from Jezza to make the big announcement in an overwhelmingly Eurosceptic part of the country. The ecstatic reaction in the hall will be shown on the telly and send a strong message to his young supporters.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Shrewd move from Jezza to make the big announcement in an overwhelmingly Eurosceptic part of the country.
Depends on what the announcement is?
Personally I think it might be an idea if ALL MPs started to realise that they are voting on something which will have long reaching effects on the whole country over the next 30/40 years.
I'm a bit fed up with various sides spouting rubbish about 'wanting' a Brexit which delivers 'jobs and a strong economy', everybody does, or 'what we voted for was ....... and May's Brexit does not deliver it'.
What we voted for was that the Government of the day would negotiate us leaving the EU.
They have done that.
Governments negotiate treaties and agreements daily. I don't suppose most of us would be totally happy with such as the SALT1&2 treaties on limitation of Nuclear Weapons as it isn't exactly what we wanted exactly but it seems to work mostly and it didn't involve everybody and their dog becoming an overnight expert on the nuclear equivalent of the back-stop whatever that is or isn't.
Furthermore over the next two years we are looking to the Government of the day to negotiate our trading arrangements with the EU.
Nobody is going to get their 'perfect' Brexit any more than anyone is totally satisfied with trading arrangements between us and any other trading block. Life's a compromise. Get over it everyone.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:
Shrewd move from Jezza to make the big announcement in an overwhelmingly Eurosceptic part of the country.
Depends on what the announcement is?
Are you being serious Bob or should I say lol lmao wtf imho etc etc?
Your own post says it let alone the fact that is has been common knowledge an announcement would be made that if Labour won a snap election we would still leave the EU, the only bits we didn't know were date and venue.
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Yes totally serious.
If all Comrade Cob says is that he would like a general election and would negotiate a Brexit which is good for jobs and employment then he might as well save his breath.
If he says that Labour will get behind May's agreement, however flawed, but will make sure that the government negotiations over trading terms over the next two years blah blah blah I'd actually have some respect for him.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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nil points from me.only another 27 to vote the same.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#3153 - not condoning it at all, Reg. It's the behaviour of morons in my book. Violence doesn't simply start with throwing punches though.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
