Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Reginald Barrington wrote:No sympathy what a cheapskate the going rate in 2014 was £15000!
Serial bankrupt, financial mismanagement conviction, country house repossessed... Obviously had so much money that he never learned the value of it.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Weird Granny Slater wrote:Serial bankrupt, financial mismanagement conviction, country house repossessed... Obviously had so much money that he never learned the value of it.
We can only hope and pray that his cellmates will be jihadists and will assist in his conversion to the religion of peace.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
The latest study on peoples attitudes to the leaving Deal, making a comparison with Norway is wrong as 70% of their exports are to the EU.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-single-market-access-freedom-of-movement-eu-research-a7840331.htmlGuest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
- Posts: 440
Link after link from The Indy, the most anti Brexit paper around
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
cor blimy still on about brexit,we all know its not going to happen.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Self appointed negotiator Tony Blair sticking his nose in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40615119John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
Brian Dixon wrote:cor blimy still on about brexit,we all know its not going to happen.
There'll be blood on the streets if it doesn't Brian, and I'll be in the front row with my pitchfork!
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,797
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
john,its going to happen,if it dose it will be a right pigs ear
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
- Posts: 1,071
I agree. Brexit will absolutely happen, the only question is whether it is full-blown hard Brexit or whether any negotiations will soften it.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,797
With give and take from both sides they will eventually reach agreement.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 1,932
Jan Higgins wrote:With give and take from both sides they will eventually reach agreement.
Theresa May's latest?:
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
no no jan it gos like this.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,856
I still see a few on here wanting a re run of the referendum result
I don't support this (and I voted to remain) I just hope they get it right.
Having said that I think over the coming months a lot of people in Dover will be disappointed that immigration will be much the same.
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
- Posts: 1,071
Immigration will be worse as the 19% downturn in Nursing applications showed this week that cuts have consequences. (The loss of the Nursing Bursary means taht potential nurses have been put off by tuition fee debt.) If we can't train our own citizens, what is governments role? Where will the NHS find their staff? Austerities seeds of discontent where planted a long time back. Next spring will see them blossom angrily.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,295
I don't think people are calling for a rerun of the Referendum result per se, rather, they are calling for the final deal to be put to a Referendum.
This has undeniable logic; first - nobody could complain about ignoring the will of the people - as you are, by your actions, asking the people to approve the deal. The perfect symmetry; the public started this, now, based on far greater knowledge and known facts, ask them to approve the deal.
From a political perspective - what if remainers are right? What if the deal turns out to be pants, the economy crashes and everyone is suffering - what then? Carry on regardless and risk everything just to keep John Redwood happy? Of course not - your way out is to ask the people. Who would want to be the PM who crashed the UK? The public are an unforgiving bunch - who is going to say "Oh well, the economy has crashed, everything is more difficult but at least there are 7 fewer Bulgarians in my town than 18 months ago! Glad I voted Brexit". Of course not, they will just turn round and blame the political class form top to bottom for taking them down this road.
Finally, Brexit removes one of the biggest political scapegoat in my lifetime - the EU. You cannot blame the EU for a bad deal, because it will no longer matter. So again, voters are not going to turn around and blame the EU on this one and in a related point, the Daily Mail will soon turn its guns on the Government of the day if it looks like the EU has 'won' as it cannot do anything else.
Where does all this leave us? I think the final deal will be put to a Referendum - with the caveat that in doing so, we are clear that we can remain in exactly the same way we are now. What I do not think should happen is no Brexit, without consulting the people - as that would be completely wrong.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Verhofstadt trying to stir the pot again but I doubt anyone will take the bait. The PM would never allow it and Corbyn is too shrewd to fall for it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-talks-involved-guy-verhofstadt-eu-negotiator-labour-leader-opposition-a7839746.htmlButton
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,027
Post 685: (straight question) - did you mean 'clear that we can remain in exactly the same way' or 'clear that we cannot remain in exactly the same way'?
(Not my real name.)
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,295
Clear that we can remain in the same way - so if the public reject the deal, then we continue exactly as we are now. So goes against the popular wisdom that Art. 50 is irreversible, but I am sure that there will be a way around it if both sides want it to happen.
What you can't have is the public voting down a deal, which leaves us in the "no deal is better than a bad deal" scenario. At least, not without knowing the exact consequences.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Going to be a lot to take in when deciding how to vote on the final deal. For example if it means we stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and accept free movement of sorts many people will go against it based on their experiences when the doors were opened for people from East European states. The forecast is that many here now will return home because of the changing job market there and people in those countries have no wish to come here.
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