Jan Higgins
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According to Edwina Curry on Breakfast this morning in a recent poll of those asked 74% said "no deal better than a bad deal" (at approx 1hr 26min" from start).
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Would be very different if they asked that question where we live with the certainty of everything grinding to a halt. Not very long to get new IT systems, hire and train customs officers, freight clerks and ancillary staff even if they started out today not forgetting the lack of lorry parks. Unfortunately only a handful of MPs have constituencies that would be affected so little interest there.
I heard a Government minister earlier saying that any shortage of fruit could be offset by farmers here growing more. Firstly too much farming land has been turned over to housing in the past few decades, secondly we would have to import more labour than usual to pick the produce.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I love the argument of needing more foreign labour considering how automated many farms are now. Cows fed and milked on almost a conveyor belt system, root vegetables even radishes are dug up/collected by machinery, fruit shaken out of trees, the farmers used to use foreign students when I was young now some still use cheap foreign labour many if not most out of choice.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Whilst we are on the subject of food imports/exports the head of the British Retail Consortium was rattling on yesterday about all the produce that would cost more, one of them was Cheddar Cheese which would cost us about 20% more. Many years ago the EU quite rightly bowed to French demands that only sparkling wine from the Champagne region should bear the name. Soon after that Parma protected their ham and Cheddar cheese stopped being imported from Canada, New Zealand and elsewhere labelled as Cheddar.
So how is it going to be dearer as we don't import parts to go into it?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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she will be out there beginning them in case a hard brxsit topples the Tory government letting in Jeremy the communists into number 10.
the bankers that pull the strings in the EU commission will be sh...ing bricks.
Brian Dixon
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don't you just love it, mixed massages that is. bring on the clowns.
Captain Haddock
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Charlie has his two pennyworth .....
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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is that a clown video bob.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yep its a clown video allright.lol
Button
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I think that one thing you can say about this whole 'get out of the EU' business is that it's adding a fair few new terms to the dictionary.
'Brexit', meaning Brexit. Actually I understood that one; necessarily involves leaving the Single Market, The Customs Union (there are effectively 2) and ECJ overview, and is reflected in Amberleaf50's post at 965.
'Hard Brexit' - no idea and still waiting for a definition.
'Soft Brexit' - ditto.
'Cliff edge Brexit' - now overtaken by the 2nd definition of 'No deal Brexit' below.
'No deal Brexit' - it was only last week that my attention was drawn to the difference between Westminster's and Whitehall's definitions. The Westminster definition is leaving the EU without an agreed future trading relationship, whatever that might be. The Whitehall definition is leaving the EU without an agreed transition/implementation period and was reflected on tonight's Channel 4 news.
So I think the article that Mr McS linked in his post 970 should be seen in the context of these options. I don't personally know whether or not parliament can block what it sees as a bad or no deal situation; however, it seems to me that such a block could only have one outcome - the UK stays as an EU Member State, which takes you right back to the 'only advisory' vs 'democratically expressed will' views of the referendum.
(Not my real name.)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Food for thought there plastic fastener and I am as confused as you what the clichés actually mean. Looking at the facts we know that legally the Referendum was purely advisory although "call me Dave" said that the result would be binding. He immediately fell on his sword when the result went against his wishes which was fairly shrewd. After much back stabbing the new Prime Minister was against leaving but insisted that the will of the people must prevail.
Since then we have seen a lot of political posturing from all parties that is more about personal ambition rather than what is best for the country. People like Barnier and Juncker see this and play on it. Ken Clarke is quite right in saying that Parliament has the final word on any deal or indeed no deal, that is the final outcome.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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if its a no deal,and we have full customs clearance,the port of calias boss has stated he would close the for mentiond port of calias down for good.
and on the other hand chris grayling has stated using manston airport as a lorry park.looks like fun if and when it happens.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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This is dangerous ground for politicians. They are clued up enough to know that it is all well and good saying that we must not defy the will of the people, but if everything does fall off a cliff and the economy tanks, regardless of whether you think that likely or unlikely, then those same people who voted for Brexit will be the same people to hammer you for leading them up the garden path. That is the reality.
Reginald Barrington
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And remoaners will sit on their high horses smugly shouting "I told you so!"
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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John Buckley
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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reg, told you so.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Alistair helpfully gives a precis of his argument here:-
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Certainly got a way with words, now we know how he got as high as he did.
