Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I am struggling to see why there is such a drama about Ireland. The facts are simple; post Brexit, we are a non EU country, Ireland is an EU country, ergo, there should be a hard border. Our argument appears to be along the very technical lines of "But it's Ireland, innit". Turn it around, and can you imagine the fuss that John Redwood and his ilk would have made if, say, Romania was leaving the EU but Bulgaria was insisting on retaining a soft border?! We would be up in arms about it.
Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
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I remember clearly David Davies dismissing the issue in 2016 saying that we had no need for concern over internal borders!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Good move from the PM in my view, speak to the people who have a lot to lose if no sensible deal is done, forget the politicians who just have a point to make to other member states that might consider leaving.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-eu-talks-brexit-business-leaders-meeting-uk-prime-minister-a8051656.htmlCaptain Haddock
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Stuart Honey wrote:I remember clearly David Davies dismissing the issue in 2016 saying that we had no need for concern over internal borders!
I believe that at the last count the EU has 10 countries with which it has land borders across which it somehow manages to trade.
Also the NAFTA agreement (USA, Canada, Mexico) somehow manages to cope with trade in goods and services worth $1.2
trillion in 2011 (UK exports to EU £240 billion)
I presume that in neither of these cases the cross border flow of goods involves a tail-back to their equivalent of Manchester or wherever the latest scare story claims the M20 is going to be clogged up to?
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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mr haddock, have you been up the a20 when the dock bound traffic has been at a standstill,i doubt it.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Brian Dixon wrote:mr haddock, have you been up the a20 when the dock bound traffic has been at a standstill,i doubt it.
Yes I have. One can only presume that those working on the Canadian/USA border for example do not decide to go on strike whenever there is an 'r' in the month as Calais 'workers' are prone to do.
The whole of France seems to be run like a larger, but less efficient, version of British Leyland in the 1970s.
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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What sort of an MP talks up leaving the EU but tells his clients to invest elsewhere? All this whilst trousering £180,000 pa for a part time job when he is paid to be a full time MP.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/13/labour-accuses-john-redwood-of-talking-britain-downBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
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a tory.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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John Redwood is horrendous. He would literally drive off the Brexit cliff at 100 mph if he had it his way. One of the classic brigade of Tories who are only interested in utterly trashing our relationship with the EU - nothing else matters. Of course, he is also in the far too rich to care category knowing damn well that whatever happens, he will be just fine.
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Weird Granny Slater
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Captain Haddock wrote:The whole of France seems to be run like a larger, but less efficient, version of British Leyland in the 1970s.
Did somebody call?
RIP by the way.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jacob Rees-Mogg is of the view that if we stop our payments to the EU now then they would be forced into giving us a trade deal, could be right. He also advocates using some of the money saved being spent on the NHS.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/14/jacob-rees-mogg-hard-brexit-would-boost-uk-by-135bn-over-5-yearsGuest 2388- Registered: 12 Nov 2017
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:The PM bows to internal pressure and appoints another "Leave" campaigner to the cabinet.
I should think so too seeing as the county did actually vote for it
Guest 2388- Registered: 12 Nov 2017
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Businesses are showing their frustration at the lack of progress in negotiations.
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boo hoo, let them frig off to Frankfurt then, as if
same whiners who say they'll emigrate to Australia yet never do
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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have made plans in place to emigrate to belguim at 1 minuite past midnight on the 29th march 2019.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We leave at 2300 hours Brian, do you have any plans on how to spend your 61 minutes in the new Jerusalem?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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first bar that's open and a b and b.lol
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Has the NHS in England really been losing EU nationals from its staff since Britain voted to leave the European Union?
in post 30 June 2016 / in post 30 June 2017
Doctors 9,695 / 10,136
Registrars 3,190 / 3,215
Trainee doctors (foundation years 1 and 2) 779 / 950
Nurses and health visitors 20,907 / 20,618
Midwives 1,220 / 1,247
Ambulance staff 250 / 386
Scientific/therapeutic/technical 6,112 / 6,957
Source: NHS Digital
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There have been many reports of EU nationals leaving the NHS since the Referendum but a look at the figures shows that some areas are losing some and others gaining as in normal staff turnover, the big problem in some areas is recruiting staff.
In another report I read it claimed Cornwall farmers were complaining because there were not enough people from the EU to help with the harvest so some was left in the ground. All EU citizens that do this work normally know they are legally entitled to work so maybe the farmers were ripping them off wage wise?
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:Has the NHS in England really been losing EU nationals from its staff since Britain voted to leave the European Union?
in post 30 June 2016 / in post 30 June 2017
Doctors 9,695 / 10,136
Registrars 3,190 / 3,215
Trainee doctors (foundation years 1 and 2) 779 / 950
Nurses and health visitors 20,907 / 20,618
Midwives 1,220 / 1,247
Ambulance staff 250 / 386
Scientific/therapeutic/technical 6,112 / 6,957
Source: NHS Digital
Captain, can you post the link to your data rather than just the source? Thanks.
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