Captain Haddock
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"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Courtesy of the Telegraph, we have David Davis fighting our corner, may Allah help us all.
Germany expects Brexit secretary David Davis to offer his "unconditional surrender," to the EU's terms when he delivers a keynote speech to trade chiefs in Berlin on Thursday evening, the former president of the country's largest trade body has warned. Hans-Olaf Henkel, the former head of the Federation of German Industries (BDI) , said both the German government and businesses wanted to see major concessions from Mr Davis on the so-called Brexit bill and transitional arrangements.It comes after Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, demanded Britain offer more clarity on the bill if EU leaders were to agree to open discussions on future relations, including a trade deal, at their December summit.
Meanwhile, the current director general of BDI, Joachim Lang, has called on Theresa May to agree to a transition period of more than two years, which he said was not enough time to set up the necessary legal framework. “I think what the German government wants is identical to what Michel Barnier and [European parliament MEP] Guy Verhofstadt want,” Mr Henkel told the Telegraph.
“The BDI has consistently followed the line of the German government on this... if I were to use a military term, what they want is unconditional surrender.”
Mr Henkel, now an MEP and the Vice-Chair of the European Conservatives and Reforms Group, went on to criticise the EU for its phased approach to the Brexit talks.He said the decision to address citizens rights, Northern Ireland and the financial settlement was not logical and attacked Mr Barnier for not consulting Britain on the approach beforehand. "The entire road map for the Brexit negotiations has demanded that Britain can agree on three issues before they start negotiations on trade and customs, which is not logical," he said.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I think Germany might be in for a surprise, we beat them all those years ago and will again over Brexit.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:I think Germany might be in for a surprise, we beat them all those years ago and will again over Brexit.
If you are referring to 1966 Jan most Germans still insist that the ball did not cross the line. Had many conversations in Mediterranean resorts about the subject between 1975 and 1990.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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No 20 plus years before that Howard, to some of us there are more important things than football, having said that that was another victory to be proud of.
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Guest 2388- Registered: 12 Nov 2017
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according to today's Guardian, that beacon of patriotic fervour, it's reckoned that May will soon be upping her offer - not to mention they're on about handing over 450m to Iran, my God , the Tories are the new Lib Dem, where's that little gimp Clegg got to anyhow?
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:If you are referring to 1966 Jan most Germans still insist that the ball did not cross the line. Had many conversations in Mediterranean resorts about the subject between 1975 and 1990.
1966 was WEST GERMANY and not the European States of Germany!
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Give me a clue. Where did you get your data for EU citizens not leaving the NHS and (by virtue of the increased numbers) more EU citizens taking up roles in the NHS? I'm not saying your wrong, I am trying to see the proof for myself. (Despite my 'name' and graceful demeanour, I don't take worldly/forum business on faith!)
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Your Grace,
There have been a number of Project Fear Redux stories in the newspapers recently claiming that EU citizens are leaving or are planning to leave the NHS in droves and that
ipso facto there would be a strain on staffing levels.
e.g.
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/15661066.Brexit_fears_drive_doctors_from_the_EU_to_quit_the_NHS/
or
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/brexit-nhs-nurse-numbers-fall-first-time-years-a8032306.html
Whilst the figures I provided did NOT relate to EU employees specifically they DO show that staffing levels are going UP.
The latest figures I can find specifically for EU employees are here:-
http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7783 which has a link to the NHS staff from overseas: full PDF report.
In terms of employment overall there has been an increase of nearly 50,000 EU Nationals in the last year, and looking specifically at EU8 workers, their numbers are higher than before last year's referendum (See today's ONS Labour Market Statistics)
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
cor blimy will you two get over your selfs.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Further proof of the Exodus of EU workers fleeing the United Kingdom leaving acres of crops rotting and coffees going cold due to lack of waiters etc.
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There were many reports in the months after the Referendum that many EU nationals had interpreted the result as meaning that they weren't welcome here anymore so they were planning to leave. When they realised that wasn't the case and that neighbours and fellow workers were still friendly towards them then they decided to stay.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,295
It is too early to tell on any of this. Claim and counter claim, both for and against Brexit are, at the moment, just that. Right now, nothing has changed (as somebody once said
). Talk of the economy avoiding a post Brexit crash is ridiculous, because we are not post Brexit - yet. Talk of thousand of EU workers leaving is irrelevant, because we have not left the Union - yet.
Like I have said before, the great thing about Brexit is that the facts will eventually speak for themselves and all of the white noise will disappear in the rear view mirror.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:Further proof of the Exodus of EU workers fleeing the United Kingdom leaving acres of crops rotting and coffees going cold due to lack of waiters etc.
Interesting that the "tens of thousand" strap line that the Tories have been stating ad infinitum is far from borne out in the ONS figures. 1997-to-2010 broadly shows a rise of 600,000 EU nationals coming to work in the UK. The 2010-2017 figures suggest 1,300,000 extra EU nationals.
I get that any UK government, whilst under the auspices of the EU, could not curtail these (im)migrations and, furthermore, that the EU has grown in population (particularly in member state increases) but that is a startling rise in just 7 years.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Your Grace,
Here's a breakdown on NHS staff by nationality. As you can see EU nationals make up a very small percentage.
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Around 50k EU nationals is quite significant, though not, I concede, a large percentage. 8% unknown is rather peculicar bearing in mind you have to present your right to work in the country to your employer (certainly in the public sector). Looking at the flag Motswana is, I presume, Mugabi's breakaway republic relocated to Botswana!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph
Europe is threatening to keep back Britain’s final rebate payment of €5 billion as part of the negotiations over the Brexit bill, The Telegraph can disclose.Senior British sources said that negotiations over the bill, which the EU sets at €60 billion (£53.6 billion), had still not settled whether the UK would receive the €5 billion (£4.46 billion) payment as part of the final settlement when it leaves the EU in March 2019.“There is a problem here, and the issue over whether the EU will pay us the 2018 rebate has not been resolved,” the source in Whitehall confirmed.The issue of the rebate, won by Margaret Thatcher in 1984, is a key irritant between the two sides as they try to move on to trade talks next month.
Amid testy exchanges on Friday, Europe continued to pile pressure on Theresa May to increase her offer on the Brexit bill beyond €20 billion (£17.85 billion).Donald Tusk, the European Council president, warned Britain at an EU leaders’ summit in Sweden that “much more progress” was needed on the bill and the Irish border, with British concessions to be delivered “at the beginning of December at the latest”.He went on to mock David Davis, the Brexit secretary, for suggesting it was time for the EU side to make some concessions. “I can say only that I really appreciate Mr Davis’s English sense of humour,” Mr Tusk said.The EU has said it will not have prepared a fresh mandate for trade talks in January if the UK has not made concessions in good time ahead of the EU leaders’ summit on Dec 14-15. UK officials reject the timetable as artificial.
The British side also clashed with Ireland, with the Irish Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, demanding “written” guarantees that there would be no hard border for Northern Ireland.
Britain’s EU rebate, which was designed to offset the unfair distribution of EU farm subsidies, is paid a year in arrears, meaning the final payment for 2018 would fall after Britain’s departure. British negotiators believe that there is no legal basis for denying the UK its final payment, but the European Commission is understood not to see it as part of the Brexit bill calculation. EU officials declined to comment.The Telegraph understands that the rebate came up in the opening round of Brexit bill discussions last summer, and has been raised again in more recent technical talks, but the EU side has still not provided clarity on the issue.Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, last week issued the UK with a two-week deadline to come up with a fresh offer on the bill. Mr Barnier’s deadline expires next week and Mrs May is reported to be considering an improved offer.
The British side argues that since the country will not pay into the EU budget in 2019, the final €5 billion payment should be “netted off the final bill” when it is settled on the point of exit.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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In passing I heard someone on Radio 4 yesterday boasting that the EU has 10 of the 'top 50 universities in the world'.
Not for long!
9 of them are in the UK.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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I offer this as a genuine anecdote...
Having taken my daughter's around to many universities when they were initially looking at courses, I was startled to find that there is in fact around 30+ universities in the country's Top 10 best universities!
No wonder they are worth every penny of their exorbitant fees.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,003
Good to see that the Brexit 'debate' continues with the same high level of rationality and intellectual engagement as was evident pre-Referendum:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42045175'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
