Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Up to a point Lord Copper! If you read the report by the BBC here:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42055523 you will see that after the usual biased reporting the final line says:-
It is also investigating spending by the anti-Brexit campaign Britain Stronger in Europe.
But that doesn't fit into the popular narrative does it?
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Is there anyone out there that feels the Govt is doing well in these discussions with the the EU?
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Captain Haddock wrote:But that doesn't fit into the popular narrative does it?
I dunno: seems pretty balanced to me:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41649995
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39075244'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Is there anyone out there that feels the Govt is doing well in these discussions with the the EU?
Until we are given the official facts rather than the unofficial versions how can we really judge. We get fed a little bit of this and a little bit of that so have to rely on pundits to give their version.
I ignore the whole lot of them, mentally switch off and increasingly irritated wait for the official statement
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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This should serve as a uniting force. Brexiteers will be furious that there is no 350 million for the NHS, because it was all spent leaving, whereas Remainers will be furious that there is no 350 million for the NHS, because it was all spent leaving.....
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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John Buckley wrote:Sorry, but couldn't bring myself to read more than half of that claptrap. Typical EU bilge.
Now, were I looking at comments on, say Dostoevsky's
The Idiot or Hunter S. Thompson's
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, hoping to get some idea of whether I'd like to read either, I'd most likely discount any that read 'Sorry, but couldn't bring myself to read more than half of that claptrap. Typical Dostoevsky / Hunter S. Thompson bilge' as, first, the commentator would have admitted to his not having fully read the thing and, second, though it would say much about the commentator's prejudices, I'd be none the wiser about the book itself.
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'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Further prof, if needed, that Project Fear is grasping at straws.
International Regulatory Strategy Group, which is co-sponsored by TheCityUK and The City of London Corporation, published a report on “Alternatives to Passporting” and concluded “the focus of the Brexit negotiations should be on designing and delivering a bespoke UK-EU deal rather than reforming or adapting existing frameworks“.
https://order-order.com/2017/11/20/city-moved-on-passporting-months-ago-despite-remain-press-hype/
(BTW Interesting programme on wireless other day about Adam Smith http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csvsfb)"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Granted there is a lot of hype and mis-reporting in the media and that, in this case, transporting is simply the current 'how' to deliver a 'what'. (Politicians, UK and elsewhere, also seem to latch onto technical phrases and then use them out of context - customs clearance within x seconds being a particular bugbear of mine.) Stripped of the emotion, isn't the comparison simply between the 'what' we have now, the 'what' we will have if we gain a deal with the EU27, and the 'what(s)' we will or could have if we do not gain a deal?
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John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:Now, were I looking at comments on, say Dostoevsky's The Idiot or Hunter S. Thompson's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, hoping to get some idea of whether I'd like to read either, I'd most likely discount any that read 'Sorry, but couldn't bring myself to read more than half of that claptrap. Typical Dostoevsky / Hunter S. Thompson bilge' as, first, the commentator would have admitted to his not having fully read the thing and, second, though it would say much about the commentator's prejudices, I'd be none the wiser about the book itself.
I never said that I was a book critic WGS.
But once you've read for example twenty books by an author and found them all to be rubbish then the 21st publication will no doubt be the same?
However, you're correct, I am prejudiced against the EU, always have been and most likely will continue to be and for good reason too! That's my own personal opinion of course, but should anyone else actually wish to give credence to the spiel eminating from that establishment then good luck to them.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Bit of a convoluted article but the end result must be the end of Mrs Merkel and a cobbled together Government that has less clout than before in the negotiations.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/germany-angela-merkel-what-it-means-for-brexit-a8064861.htmlGuest 2388- Registered: 12 Nov 2017
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let's hope she resigns, looks like the cops there just foiled another planned terror attack in Germany , and guess who was behind it - yep, Syrian asylum seekers - time to pension off Merkel the clown
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We hear a lot from UK and Irish politicians about the Irish land border after we leave the EU now finally the main party in the province give their views.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/arlene-foster-brexit-customs-union-northern-ireland-dup-conference-a8075576.htmlGuest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Martina wrote:let's hope she resigns, looks like the cops there just foiled another planned terror attack in Germany , and guess who was behind it - yep, Syrian asylum seekers - time to pension off Merkel the clown
You seem to forget that we, as foreign nationals to the Fourth Reich, don't actually get to give our meaningful say on the leadership of another nation. You need to understand that. So many people don't get that, which is why I decided NOT to vote for Donald Trump in the end.
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The EU negotiators always seem to be setting the agenda, maybe because they see the arguments going on inside and outside cabinet.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-transition-period-leak-michel-barnier-theresa-may-boris-johnson-a8067841.htmlhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Going round in circles now with bad feeling from the DUP who see the Republic of Ireland interfering in the affairs of the province.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liam-fox-brexit-irish-border-northern-ireland-theresa-may-dup-a8076486.htmlJan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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If we are unable to reach an agreement with the EU about the Republic of Ireland an open border could be an easy back door entrance into the rest of Europe for our traders.
The only disadvantage would be a possible influx from the EU of a load of migrants sneaking in, but maybe some do that now.
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Guest 1997- Registered: 3 Mar 2017
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Goodness me. This is a tricky one, isn't it? Who could have possibly thought we'd have a problem with our only land border with the rest of Europe when we decided to leave the single market and the customs union?
Button- Location: Dover
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Technically the ILB is one of two, the other (within DDC's area) being with the French Republic, and I suspect the trickiness is being somewhat exaggerated by the politicians.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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re the irish border,would be easyer to combind northe and south into one nation.then the border would be defunct. problem solved.
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