Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
will this bill include fruit and veg.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Whilst we accept ritual slaughter this will go on, Denmark has banned it maybe it's time we did. The vast majority of meat in this country is Halal.
Guest 1862- Registered: 23 Sep 2016
- Posts: 163
My concern is for the lack of activity from RSPCA on this matter, accepted or not by "us" ( please do not include me in that) it is willful cruelty that is alien to most of "us". Large numbers of us are against life export, fox hunting, puppy farms, using animals in laboratories, in fact just about anything that causes unnecessary pain to any living creature, and rightly so. The sooner it is banned or enough people refuse to buy it, the better for my part.
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,026
Post 122: sources please!
Post 123: please define 'it' - do you mean transportation that causes suffering to animals or despatch overseas of live animals?
(Not my real name.)
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,921
FWIW here's the EU regulations relating to the transport of live animals.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32005R0001&from=EN
I fail to see how animals are likely to suffer more on a 1hr crossing on P&O than while being transported down to the Port.
It is a shame that the protesting fools are forcing the animals to do a longer crossing in a less stabilised vessel but as with opposing hunting it's all got bugger all to do with 'animal cruelty' as opposed to making them feel smug and worthy.
As for opposing 'animal testing in laboratories' I just hope the stupid, stupid opponents don't ever suffer from any of the countless diseases and infections which have relied on animal testing to produce the drugs we all use.
A few facts here - but I don't expect a few 'facts' to change anyones mind especially when a leading scientist (sic) on the internet said we no longer need to do it.
http://www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/about-us/science-action-network/forty-reasons-why-we-need-animals-in-research/
As I've said before I have two siblings with MS.
https://www.nc3rs.org.uk/news/multiple-sclerosis-research-improved-animal-model
If animal experimentation can save others suffering as they do so be it and sod the misinformed bunny huggers.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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I couldn't agree more having recently lost a cousin and good friend to MS, we are the top of the food chain for a reason.
That said i am an animal lover and see any unnecessary cruelty to animals awful but sacrifice for a greater good I can live with, after all thats why the world invented the infantry soldier.
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Arte et Marte
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
would those protesters line up with aie horns etc,for a lorry load of iceburg lettiuce,
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
- Posts: 440
Bullfighting has done very well out of the EU, animal welfare on the Continent isn't all its cracked up to be.
As an animal lover I'm interested in Captain Haddock's views on experiments, I'd far prefer us to test drugs on the murderer of that MP than a beagle.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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D Little wrote:I'd far prefer us to test drugs on the murderer of that MP than a beagle.
I believe Dr Mengele though along much the same lines David except he preferred doing it on Jewish prisoners. Shame on you. Do try to think these things through.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3767152/Auschwitz-Angel-Death-s-gruesome-experiments-discovered-Body-parts-BRAINS-Nazi-doctor-Josef-Mengele-s-victims-Munich-research-lab.html"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Eugenics and other things weren't first discussed in 1930s Germany, and I certainly haven't suggested torturing innocent people.
I'm a great believer in medical progress, experiments have been carried out for centuries. From a personal point of view I'd rather conduct them on sadistic murderers than beagles.
Each to their own, there's a reasonable chance it will never become legal so relax Captain.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Whilst we accept ritual slaughter this will go on, Denmark has banned it maybe it's time we did. The vast majority of meat in this country is Halal.
I'd be amazed if this were true.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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I'd still be amazed if "the vast majority" of the meat we eat is halal.
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
- Posts: 1,071
Errrrr BREXIT??!
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Here we go again.
1. Brexiteers, non Brexiteers and those who don't give a toss, all wish to trade with Europe with the minimum of fuss caused by tariff barriers (Which is what happens within the single market) .
2. WHEN we withdraw from the EU, taking control of our own law by subsuming ALL EU law into British Law with the 'Great Repeal Bill' whilst making EU citizens subject to normal immigration control IF all of the many agreements on trade have not been thrashed out THEN we would stick with the 'status quo ante' UNTIL agreement has been reached.
3. There. Wasn't that difficult to understand was it?
(The more time I spend on the forum the more it reminds me of a bottom set year 9 I used to teach last period on a Friday! (And this [U]wasn't [/U]when I was teaching at the Grammar School either)
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,796
I hope those children were better at understanding some of your posts Captain than myself and I did go to Grammar School.
I hate people who sneer at others for not being highly intellectual or intelligent.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,921
Jan Higgins wrote:
I hate people who sneer at others for not being highly intellectual or intelligent.
So do I - which is why I purposefully do not comment on some who post on here.
There are others who whilst 'intelligent' come out with ill thought out drivel of the sort one hears in a golf-club bar around closing time. I shall continue to have a poke at them! (much as they have a poke at me)
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Guest 1224- Registered: 9 Mar 2014
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Captain Haddock wrote:Here we go again.
1. Brexiteers, non Brexiteers and those who don't give a toss, all wish to trade with Europe with the minimum of fuss caused by tariff barriers (Which is what happens within the single market) .
2. WHEN we withdraw from the EU, taking control of our own law by subsuming ALL EU law into British Law with the 'Great Repeal Bill' whilst making EU citizens subject to normal immigration control IF all of the many agreements on trade have not been thrashed out THEN we would stick with the 'status quo ante' UNTIL agreement has been reached.
3. There. Wasn't that difficult to understand was it?
(The more time I spend on the forum the more it reminds me of a bottom set year 9 I used to teach last period on a Friday! (And this [U]wasn't [/U]when I was teaching at the Grammar School either)
Quoi?