Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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Oh please! The facts of the case as presented by the prosecution.
It is at the lower end of sexual assualt just above Hand on bum and stolen kiss.
The man was an idiot, but he thought his luck was in with a younger woman, one in his home while wife was away, the other met him again in private having been sexually assaulted once already.
Certainly not the behaviour of a sexual predator, but that of a sexual incompetent! Then the idiot doubled down with the lies, for that he deserves the strongest sentence.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Oh please! The facts of the case as presented by the prosecution.
It is at the lower end of sexual assualt just above Hand on bum and stolen kiss.
The man was an idiot, but he thought his luck was in with a younger woman, one in his home while wife was away, the other met him again in private having been sexually assaulted once already.
Certainly not the behaviour of a sexual predator, but that of a sexual incompetent! Then the idiot doubled down with the lies, for that he deserves the strongest sentence.
You're missing my point entirely. Whatever she did after the event is irrelevant to the alleged crime. I'm guessing you've never been called for jury service but, if you had been, you would know that the judge would have made that quite clear in the summing up.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Three times on jury service, first was for serious sexual assualt and attempted rape, judges summing up meant we couldn't find for attempted rape, the judge in sentencing could take it into account and gave maximimun sentence for a category 1 sexual assualt. (I think 7 years but has since been changed.)
Charlie is category three sexual assault probably taking in culpability level A for 'Position of trust'
Could result in max sentence of 12months more likely high level community order or short custodial upto 26weeks and probably suspended.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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There are of course sentencing guidelines for those really interested - suggest a google search. Pleading not guilty won't help.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Very unlikely to be custodial, community or suspended.
Remember one women was so traumatised she carried on texting him and went on a second date!
You've changed your tune, Reggie.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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No, wilful misinterpretation maybe?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Possibly a misinterpretation but not a wilful one. I'm struggling to find the ambiguity in 'very unlikely to be custodial' and just wondered how that had become 'could result in max sentence of 12months more likely high level community order or short custodial upto 26weeks and probably suspended' in the space of a few days.
Personally, I haven't got a clue what the judge will decide is fit. I do, however dislike the blatant lying and hypocrisy that has wafted from the Elphickes and the local party in general over this sordid business.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,871
I think he will get a suspended sentence and maybe community service.
I have no idea why but Natalie irritates me whenever I see her being interviewed on tv.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,915
Sadly Charlie was never a people person
Natalie much the same
but with no alternative we will get much the same year on year sadly
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
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Here is what Labour offered us last time. Someone who lived in Whitstable and spent most of the time leading up to the General Election trying to convince everyone she had moved into the area, lost and now seems to reside back in Whitstable. Also seemed to lecture on social injustices and then post holiday snaps in the USA during every school break.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Give her a break! I thought she'd bought yet another 'home' in Kingstown?
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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(Kingsdown).
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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One of the issues in the current system, for me, is that we don't have a permanent candidate as it were. So, for example, if there is a no deal Brexit and it is chaos in Dover, who represents the Labour view? Who presses Nathalie at the local level? I am not a fan of somebody being parachuted in at the last minute with no time to build up their profile.
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
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For all his faults, I don't think it's fair to blame Mr Elphicke for Mrs Elphicke. Or for Mrs Cornell.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think Neil and pilot are slowly coming round to understand labour has problems
It is falling far short of opposition both at the national and local area
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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keith, i keep telling you that despite all labours problems labour is gaining momentom and cutting the % of the torys. as for the lib/dems there momentum has just been kick started with a new leader.. so by may next year both partys will be in a strong enough position to challenge the blues in a election.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I think Labour is doing a good job, Keith. Starmer is refusing to get dragged into rows on the PM’s terms, which frustrates the hell out of Johnson.
Bottom line, Keith, Labour under Corbyn was simply unelectable. Now, we have a chance. That has to be good news. Just keep standing by and allow the government to shoot itself in the foot.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Neither can he be blamed for the Labour Party.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Neil and Brian
I continue to applaud your beliefs but they do fall short of reality .
Quite correctly the lib Dems will take time, if ever to be a force .
Although bungling Boris continues, you both miss the point of labour needing to win the seats back up Norf, Scotland , wakes etc
Many of these seats don't want labour any more than Tory .
The blue rinse brigade always get out to vote even if they don't know who there voting for
On the other hand labour supporters just don't vote
As I said this will allow Tories back In
On the question. Of Corbyn or Starmer
A lot of corbyns policies public ownership etc o actually support yet Starmer is really luke warm.
Corby protects jobs and working class people
Where as Starmer declined to
I don't want to see a second rate Tory party elected under labour that's Starmer .
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