Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,823
Sue
You have changed your politics from lib dems to tory , now tory to labour!!!
Sunak mistake as Tories call it on D Day event can't just be brushed aside with an apology .
Just another reason sections of society won't vote tory .
Mike tapp living in Tunbridge wells and when standing there lost, like all candidates will be in Dover for the six weeks.
Rather strange last night dep leaders in debate , reform put forward farrage, who has already said reform won't win any seats .
Dover could have been the place that the reform party could have seen if it has a following and farrage was probably the best reform candidate .
If, as is expected they don't do well in Dover and across country , reform will.probably be another of the forgotten parties and farrage will probably form another new one !
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UKIP. BREXIT, NOW REFORM. MORE PARTYS THEN ME,
HE HAD HIS DAY AND MESSED IT UP
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,017
Keith Im voting for the sake of my grandchildren. I think Labour is the best choice this time.Currently the NHS is in a mess .My grandaughter is a sister in the NHS .In see the carers who work in the home opposite me long hours very little reward.Housing shortage .Not everyone can afford the expensive houses
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,225
All those are perfectly valid points Sue but what on God's good earth makes you think Labour will do anything about them?
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The Tories absolutely have to stop running scared of young people and instead embrace them. If they don't they're finished.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,848
Back to 'Hug a Hoodie'?
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,003
Sue - good for you for changing your voting pattern over time; I have no idea why Keith appears to think that anything other than blind allegiance to one party is somehow suspect. As regards Reg's comment, I don't know (at least not yet) what Labour propose to do about things, but the Conservatives have surely had quite a while now.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,782
Exactly Button.
As we get older we hopefully learn what we believe is better for us and the future generations, sometimes we are right sometimes we make a mistake but at least we try.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,979
'Voting for your grandchildren' is evidently poor policy if you repeatedly have to change your allegiance when you discover it didn't work out the way you imagined it would.
Politicians have you dangling if your politics are anything but hard-headed.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,003
I'm surprised you think that way WGS - if one is dissatisfied with Tesco (as I think your analogy has run in the past - and with which I agree) then it seems silly to me to continue to patronise them or to hope that one day Costcutter will step up to the mark. (Incidentally, I don't mind choosing between various brands of cornflakes, I just wish that one of them would still do the free plastic kits that inevitably found their way to the bottom of the bag.)
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
- Posts: 425
Take a look at the site whocanivotefor.co.uk for our area. It shows the record for each candidate as to when they have been elected to any position either locally or nationally. The only one of them ( though his information has yet to be updated) who has ever been elected to a seat in the district or county is Geoff Lymer who has served as district and county councillor. It appears that Mike Tapp for all the praise that has been heaped upon him has never been an elected representative. The party machine working very hard on his behalf.
Call me naive but I would like to see some honesty and integrity applied to politics. Remove the NHS/ Education/ Policing from the political arena. Instead have people who actually have experience in these fields making decisions for the good of the country. Look at the spending and stop making promises that cannot be fulfilled or sustained.
Use our best brains together and work together- that’s the only way to make things better.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Captain Haddock wrote:An extraordinary election when every other western democracy seems to be turning to the 'right'
1. Spain's conservative People's Party wins 34.2% of the vote, ahead of the Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez's Socialist Workers Party with 30.2%, with almost all votes counted.
2. Exit polls show Giorgia Meloni's right-wing party is set to win most seats in Italy, beating centre-left opposition.
3. Belgium's Prime Minister De Croo says 'it was a particularly difficult evening, we lost' in speech in which he announced resignation
4. Macron dissolved parliament, calls snap legislative elections after his list was defeated by Le Pen's.
5. Bloomberg reports that Germany's Chancellor Scholz has been 'trounced' by parties on the right.
6. England about to vote for a cabinet who to a man backed Corbyn less than five years ago! (In fairness Mike Tapp has said “I wouldn’t have stood under the previous administration… Coming from a military background, defence and security means so much to me and you have to be able to trust your government on defence and security").
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:Back to 'Hug a Hoodie'?
Exactly why the Tories are in the mess they are in.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:1. Spain's conservative People's Party wins 34.2% of the vote, ahead of the Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez's Socialist Workers Party with 30.2%, with almost all votes counted.
2. Exit polls show Giorgia Meloni's right-wing party is set to win most seats in Italy, beating centre-left opposition.
3. Belgium's Prime Minister De Croo says 'it was a particularly difficult evening, we lost' in speech in which he announced resignation
4. Macron dissolved parliament, calls snap legislative elections after his list was defeated by Le Pen's.
5. Bloomberg reports that Germany's Chancellor Scholz has been 'trounced' by parties on the right.
6. England about to vote for a cabinet who to a man backed Corbyn less than five years ago! (In fairness Mike Tapp has said “I wouldn’t have stood under the previous administration… Coming from a military background, defence and security means so much to me and you have to be able to trust your government on defence and security").
Voters appear to want parties that occupy the center ground - which Labour clearly does. The Corbyn verson of Labour is the one that you and Keith probably want to exist, but it doesn't. It's why Labour will win.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Button wrote:I'm surprised you think that way WGS -
Actually, B, I don't believe I have used an 'if you're unhappy with supermarket x then try supermarket y' political party analogy, mainly because I'd rather shop at Scrivens, Gladdishes and Mr Saunders on the corner.
But cornflakes, yes. Every 5 years or so the stomachs of hungry Brits rumble so much they drool over committing to one tasteless cornflake rather than another tasteless cornflake seemingly unaware that all brands are manufactured in the same factory, that other breakfasts are available (some cereal, some animal), or that not having breakfast at all is an option.
But, before this analogy gets too soggy, or congeals: a) vote, whine for 5 years, then vote again, b) if no party matches your politics, don't vote, c) sod democracy (or what passes for it over here).
Both b) and c) are 'hard-headed' options.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors wrote:Voters appear to want parties that occupy the center ground -
When 'RuPaul's Drag Race' is mainstream, then the 'centre ground' isn't where you think
it is.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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For all those who thought throwing stuff at Farage was 'funny'.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,823
I'm not saying Sue shouldn't change her opinions /backing
What I'm saying is she was happy for many years to be part of policies that she dislikes today .
Neil .
Come on boyo lol
We are in a position now that many just want the Tories out , so for you that's a start , but there not saying Labour is the answer .
Tapp although a failed candidate when standing in other seats , could well win this time.
It's quite interesting when Neil says I support Corbyn, I do support a number of his policies and I think the way the national press and his own party treated him during the last election was awful.
Starmer again looked uneasy when questioned about Corbyn when he said he supported Corbyn but knew Labour would lose.
Although I think Labour will win the general election , a lot of it will be people just wanting the govt out, but quite a number of Tories will stay at home .
I think Labour will be helped in some areas with reform party in such a mess .
I actually think reform may have done quite well in Dover if farrsge stood , not because there a democratic or good party, but because some locals have been taken in by them .
With the far right doing well in other countries should be a warning to us all.
I think the more Sunak is wheeled out , the less likely the Tories to win seats .
The recent interview that he went without Sky TV as a child yet went to a £50,000 fee private school
Surely could have helped to buy sky lol
Shows he didn't really have any answers
Still July 4th will soon b e here
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,017
We are voting for a MP not local councillors.Watching the current aMP last night he doesn’t live in the real world .So what if Mike Tapp doesn’t currently live in Dover.He is a breath of fresh air .What we need to do is get the current government out.Things have really got worse in the past few years.
He will move to Dover if elected.Even local councillors dont always live in the ward they represent .
Mike Tapp is a breath of fresh air.
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
"Shall we go, you and I, while we can? Through the transitive nightfall of diamonds"
